From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95DA1381F3 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 00:06:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A6013E0AC2; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 00:06:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oa0-f44.google.com (mail-oa0-f44.google.com [209.85.219.44]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE37CE0AB1 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 00:05:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id h1so2350679oag.3 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 17:05:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=r3pek.org; s=r3pek; h=x-received:mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=3Ur91euSCGmN8MEWmqP7DbZQKDD8qf3ZgrpWesBcAsQ=; b=CCIuBILaXipaSe34g7GZL182ckc1pfb/DOiMS9fJWfVoAsAtxhjljM1w0levm+3jLa yrlg1JZHlFcRfp8tETL/sgSKXPTFwuvpj6ap9Iha0ZQN7LVvSNcXzO+wqV9TTf144e1t i0gWvsblPojwTqom7ZM3X4b7/nUoLWMtfjWQs= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=3Ur91euSCGmN8MEWmqP7DbZQKDD8qf3ZgrpWesBcAsQ=; b=TnRb630wTckJZzojxxx+5wgRNLBBcg47ALZWjAzmBDGsz8AlYQ7eVOckQRlHiGsFqp UKmFh2dGDoQZXe6f+/TiieU2Q5ASAzdHqe9Yvw0n/CSsGoQJWvXtkpbLKbDMDxc1kSPV ha9iETwFHs4bNjwlAc+MKRWTAhGClbpjepONq3E2jqFZzPgZiS0sR4MAcscvjHKQ2y7N K2oN4MrmV0cLiAFjQu6wRwWWKa/lIiDTKl9zB3xAwVvPehs2e7gPMClkUwXTvohbIF+s GN9lbbPeDSJX1txJKlAYlpYp2PO+RsRsiCLojB5UW8YeuTfHvSuV3F9QPkZ30K3KGhKL /MOw== X-Received: by 10.182.105.2 with SMTP id gi2mr871464obb.15.1366848356534; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 17:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.76.113.135 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 17:05:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [85.240.25.117] In-Reply-To: <51786B9C.9070607@gentoo.org> References: <20130424161606.GA1607@linux1> <51780F2D.7060007@gentoo.org> <20130424172323.GB2323@linux1> <201304241334.37807.vapier@gentoo.org> <20130424175407.GA2404@linux1> <20130424223446.GA12947@waltdnes.org> <20130424231701.GA3133@linux1> <51786B9C.9070607@gentoo.org> From: Carlos Silva Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 00:05:36 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: oldnet scripts splitting out from OpenRC To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1cdf0c12dec04db242e23 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlm44c/DXua4o3CljLWgVd/+2HnbsPLjZbGPaCQjoYlZxyaC51sUCqLKcQTfDxW6rEh1bud X-Archives-Salt: f4ae2873-5d6b-4bf8-8bf5-08555eef0e04 X-Archives-Hash: 8fbc2d236b3c44f2abf71a4877ce8126 --e89a8ff1cdf0c12dec04db242e23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 How about someone decide which is the best version and keep it integrated in OpenRC? There's no best version? diff the two of them and merge what matters. I mean, how many distros do you know that have two sets of init scripts *just* to configure networking? I know Gentoo is about choice, but this feels a little too much choice. What will I choose next? Someone can decide that keymap needs a refactor and just fork it, of maybe hostname, or . Just my 2 cents... On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 11:32 PM, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina < zerochaos@gentoo.org> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 04/24/2013 07:17 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 06:34:46PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 02:16:51PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote > >> > >>> Considering our default configuration ships sshd (an argument we don't > >>> need to rehash here), it seems a bit silly to not ship networking > >>> support by default. I'd rather not do it as part of the system set, > >>> though that would be consistent with what we're doing with ssh, and it > >>> is still override-able. > >> To handle the various possible cases, maybe we need a "virtual/net" as > >> part of the system set, which can be satisfied by either oldnet or > >> newnet or whatever. The install ISO will have a basic working network > >> stack (IPV4+IPV6). After the initial install, the admin can do > >> whatever. Maybe even invoke package.provided. > > > > This would actually be cleaner than a bogus dependency in OpenRC. > > I would probably call it virtual/network-manager though. > > > You can't call it virtual/network-manager, that calls to mind, you know, > net-misc/networkmanager. That's just too confusing imho. I wouldn't > object to virtual/net, or pretty much anything else that isn't > confusing. The net scripts are not a network manager, networkmanager, > wicd, even wpa_supplicant would be things I would consider to be network > managers. > > - -Zero > > > Are there any issues with putting together a virtual like this and > > adding it to @system? > > > > Thanks, > > > > William > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJReGucAAoJEKXdFCfdEflKSZIP/23ZA8sFNnVSUsOQcZf/nBMh > ZJPH1eIOfalja64dJCXXlDb/0C0H5vkFBuuGJ+0ifVuulny6yDs0BV75w9x7Tecg > FsP2y2tSQQwCwqdV6GP7bab07BbTZ1DhnEpLajVYZexr9BAk8bsQki6vdkZ7n39b > 7iRhtiRz2mKsIK4jq+C6GG1C+QMdg1gycpij60//fJfFatgQ4CWNssMOA2j2lbr4 > gLjx9NovKJg+cenPHF8dyIuutQIcl7ehKBtYraqFYfx2QbNerkBHoeCupQ6tiuIa > bB2DXR9Ujb0OOB50KxrwFwdW61oJ7Z7bZbPCTQJp2F78eGp4hFcUUbcN6gB75zQE > l4ILJALegn8/mwVlP6veXZZoqOPi8ccvo0ZSQDHnQo3jyQM4kgkHnv3T8JavkjUk > njFEOUatGsss1Fal7r7Wk39ip9OamolEqdiHJZTqa96OoOzv1lFRp5fU9y6Vi96A > nAZ70JEpX2C3UMZ1LIImWE0LArzr+1F4qWH0fpakikRKBr2NSSTUyI7BQzc5YKwg > +cTuaPSGmRUIeZXofhJ6Ut5LtwlAqRcf3boCAOQvj8oqWbZy2Kkd+MuUoaZcl5VM > u5uXx4LpZfC+eeCalCfdK4DDUwhLk/mvyf4r9ZqlL0QAAg+tmKEvEHTn7Zz++Q2o > WAb5pvOnn5BYM+HdqPpr > =5kV9 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --e89a8ff1cdf0c12dec04db242e23 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How about someone decide which is the best version and kee= p it integrated in OpenRC? There's no best version? diff the two of the= m and merge what matters. I mean, how many distros do you know that have tw= o sets of init scripts *just* to configure networking? I know Gentoo is abo= ut choice, but this feels a little too much choice. What will I choose next= ? Someone can =A0decide that keymap needs a refactor and just fork it, of m= aybe hostname, or <insert_some_stupid_but_*needed*_init_script_here>.=

Just my 2 cents...


On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 11:32 PM, Ric= k "Zero_Chaos" Farina <zerochaos@gentoo.org> wr= ote:
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On 04/24/2013 07:17 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 06:34:46PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 02:16:51PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote
>>
>>> Considering our default configuration ships sshd (an argument = we don't
>>> need to rehash here), it seems a bit silly to not ship network= ing
>>> support by default. =A0I'd rather not do it as part of the= system set,
>>> though that would be consistent with what we're doing with= ssh, and it
>>> is still override-able.
>> =A0 To handle the various possible cases, maybe we need a "vi= rtual/net" as
>> part of the system set, which can be satisfied by either oldnet or=
>> newnet or whatever. =A0The install ISO will have a basic working n= etwork
>> stack (IPV4+IPV6). =A0After the initial install, the admin can do<= br> >> whatever. =A0Maybe even invoke package.provided.
>
> This would actually be cleaner than a bogus dependency in OpenRC.
> I would probably call it virtual/network-manager though.
>
You can't call it virtual/network-manager, that calls to mind, yo= u know,
net-misc/networkmanager. =A0That's just too confusing imho. =A0I wouldn= 't
object to virtual/net, or pretty much anything else that isn't
confusing. =A0The net scripts are not a network manager, networkmanager, wicd, even wpa_supplicant would be things I would consider to be network managers.

- -Zero

> Are there any issues with putting together =A0a virtual like this and<= br> > adding it to @system?
>
> Thanks,
>
> William
>

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