From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB5B1387CC for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 17:01:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4826D21C009; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 17:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F0DAE032F for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 17:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f172.google.com with SMTP id tb18so4297926obb.17 for ; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 09:00:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=v5ZgRb/LVsKfCHYutXojd2KCM3pA2twu8TmEMJCXmqU=; b=F7VBxEwciBhZlz+L9FDMoTyqiUVJ6Nk/D+eFDtkbgNHrESYkyPsuFqw9hFUUNqRUrL nE+SYbPS98fGYtMLwD3UubgszwG6IilPeZ8M79BuxhwM20z7FSoAoXDAXHuuc9q4L95U zG1OET83L8hcMkUX2VP+J8gn6vAaIFUWwJSs/G7WVoll3JG0hyTNPbYKL/1fNqX5UHt1 BBnt0aGYAAKxEB3XuzgyOA7mzB3AK06QuFpq7KBDa55RSny6VOB1+UVncghRLRy5ED1K L1Kny1HIOmDfMdhVLfH09F2kw5TcIbCo8kJraUTxLUlZWFy4ouOGwDsh71GkqyoN6Xqo RfDA== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.24.135 with SMTP id u7mr10402706oef.90.1359738059414; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 09:00:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.54.232 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Feb 2013 09:00:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 18:00:59 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Removals reply (I am not going to figure out which tread of those all should i reply to) From: =?UTF-8?B?VG9tw6HFoSBDaHbDoXRhbA==?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 8f9334c8-bca1-49da-b628-3b8449a2c2db X-Archives-Hash: 59d56272e2873ecca75794d089aadb54 2013/2/1 Rich Freeman : > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Tom=C3=A1=C5=A1 Chv=C3=A1tal wrote: >> If you as developers and users find some package useful you can retake >> the maintainership (or became proxy-maint) which also expects you to >> take care of the bugs (QA can prune it even if you take the >> maintainership but ignore failures [even if your personal feeling is >> that it is corner case, it is for QA to deicde]). > > Citation? I don't see any GLEPs or other Council-approved policies to > that effect. You my friend are slowly pissing me of as I read through all the flames you cause on -dev. There is no council vote required as it is already defined within qa team specs (and glep too when i think of it, so yep there is glep for you). > > And this is of course why nobody actually wants to maintain these > packages - everybody is going to be looking over your shoulder because > they've already decided that the existence of the package bothers > them. No, they won't get anyone looking over their shoulder unless they decide to neglect the bugs as few maintainers did. I didn't see a lot forced removals caused by qa, did you? The existence of the package usually does not bother anyone, maintainer just decided that its burden so it will be removed, he could've put it to m-n but its up to every maintainer to decide what to do if the package has bugs he deem serious. If anyone else decide to pick up where they left, it is his job to ensure the package gets fixed and up-par to work nicely. Bit ago we had this discussion about keeping broken shit in tree masked or just prune it, and obvious solution was to remove it as there is just few of us and if anyone wants to start where we left he can pick out the ebuild from attic and put into his own overlay where it might work for him or even put it back to tree fixed. > > Honestly, threads like this bug me so much that I'm half-tempted to > take over maintainership of one of these packages just to be a test > case... Ugh - time for an email break... > Go for it, i wrote exactly what to do, create vcs/tracker/homepage and it can stay.