From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 910901388BF for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 01:07:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9CD9021C047; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 01:07:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-io0-f170.google.com (mail-io0-f170.google.com [209.85.223.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CF5421C018 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 01:07:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-io0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 9so56277797iom.1 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:07:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=gAe85KtFS//1pRpssd6Ng+qtB5jT6S1HCz3GnGRh8zo=; b=Jg+cLFuroBDhAjGmlQQPTuBi5XZNqwPXUeuS+yJn3WLWxpburUr5spv/OjxNsZwa41 32QPPmo2h/05STqEGGPS2EDv3vEGdAqtPe/J9iNA9nOyCSvdUqcKfua/kMIjQDNUH6Dw ifVNkE7aHZsCOh3xogiCFrlfCDM8SldnV+xi0iItJUo7QipLSVfE0uxFSIFykqAguu6U yXcBMco8COGbCKJJUMhfGGp0EJXVnP477ECgy04PJBN7g9BRei+1rJ1E5yDxKDz0FKN0 xxdc0MXntTVL1ncP2egAFbnEHIFVBqWNSHEbK6t0kjzaYyTTPzT4IFpuHdPjiU+VP3W+ jgzQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=gAe85KtFS//1pRpssd6Ng+qtB5jT6S1HCz3GnGRh8zo=; b=lRRlWR4bJ/iQBpfKu0ac+JYcjv/fDZyHMuC7AzsX85XWM1IvyMAmSKRljtqZx/BA1G 1ta5kv+M8hf8noTy6ci1cWI/ZWSgGM5XhIzg0DOSddG8ZWzTgmBKTB6qd61raKpyb9du Uy7aQHoLm6j5A3HgYnGcdDR0/WcS+TaKHixvMQJfbX00bMEZLJdnB/PAMx3tyTWmQ4fo QO7HtgemRcCRoubJ/i6dKuqHKM46VAqkHYkysHoI0HwO3W1h/mgKFqcZJHQa7hKiawBW zIBv2FlxEeGjmDUnRz7kJMyfk0JGUeEk4Kpe9jBM7nhu7dXrEnP50nnbTZ4LsKYv4pa8 xaNQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOSZo68YCqJU+Tx1SAanQnnwDZh88ji3TTydZqEfR7HNYY9CImyDe3p0yTcmEQfDTh+8wHbTTCmFydDX6g== X-Received: by 10.107.35.85 with SMTP id j82mr3997777ioj.137.1455757628709; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:07:08 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: denis.dupeyron@gmail.com Received: by 10.36.149.65 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:06:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20160217193836.5d1f1624.mgorny@gentoo.org> References: <20160207113827.314d5bf0@hatshepsut> <20160207120929.0695b8b6.mgorny@gentoo.org> <56B734F2.9080402@gentoo.org> <20160208224923.5c5fbedc.mgorny@gentoo.org> <56C3D64E.6030700@gentoo.org> <17EF8F06-5304-4DD6-BFD6-3BB45B920833@gentoo.org> <20160217172205.7c586316.mgorny@gentoo.org> <20160217183308.694b15e0.mgorny@gentoo.org> <20160217193836.5d1f1624.mgorny@gentoo.org> From: Denis Dupeyron Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 18:06:29 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: qy1v3JJAofTjfwtFnLA1mAyW5FA Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] games.eclass policy To: gentoo-dev Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1140c8d2569ed4052c00fc26 X-Archives-Salt: 9b5e03f2-4ce4-40c0-ac07-8e1d6ec7db34 X-Archives-Hash: 6626a1dc444430c6ba8450544a594cdb --001a1140c8d2569ed4052c00fc26 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > > Well, maybe it's because you can talk to Python team, discuss and not > get ignored by them. We've already established the same is true for the games team. I'm a living example of it and I can't imagine I'm the only one. > Unlike games team members who believe it's best to > ignore certain developers. I certainly hope we can still ignore abrasive developers since it's been proven many times that it's the best way to deal with them. So, you don't answer my question. Or rather, you answer with a specious statement. Since you're being unusually shy I will say what you're trying hard not so say. There are actually first-class projects catered for by first-class developers, and those can set rules like the mandatory use of an eclass and actually enforce them. Then there are second-class projects and developers who can do the same as long as it doesn't bother the first-class people. Second-class developers, often working quietly and steadily, not wasting their time on mailing-lists like I just did, can see their projects trampled over at any time for the mere reason that they were trying to keep their business in order, just like first-class developers do= . Thank you for the clarification. Denis. --001a1140c8d2569ed4052c00fc26 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On W= ed, Feb 17, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny <= mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
Well, maybe it's beca= use you can talk to Python team, discuss and not
get ignored by them.

We've already esta= blished the same is true for the games team. I'm a living example of it= and I can't imagine I'm the only one.
=C2=A0
Unlike games team members who believe it's bes= t to
ignore certain developers.
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I certainly ho= pe we can still ignore abrasive developers since it's been proven many = times that it's the best way to deal with them.

So, you don't answer my question. Or rather, you answer with a specio= us statement. Since you're being unusually shy I will say what you'= re trying hard not so say. There are actually first-class projects catered = for by first-class developers, and those can set rules like the mandatory u= se of an eclass and actually enforce them. Then there are second-class proj= ects and developers who can do the same as long as it doesn't bother th= e first-class people. Second-class developers, often working quietly and st= eadily, not wasting their time on mailing-lists like I just did, can see th= eir projects trampled over at any time for the mere reason that they were t= rying to keep their business in order, just like first-class developers do.=

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