From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40D0A139694 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2017 23:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 25B801FC0C5; Thu, 27 Jul 2017 23:13:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-x233.google.com (mail-wm0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D0081FC0B5 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2017 23:13:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-x233.google.com with SMTP id t201so111738493wmt.1 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2017 16:13:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=Bpwc8OcLpNGTyC5X969cVR/oPGQ7obCQStU5cL+7bcU=; b=bkPCRr7A39ipqs/KaKuFY492Hl1incBOD3zBD8wPoi6nyUQ7Pa2mZtn+KJctKXO+j2 9WjNEskoRDCZvOWjX4Y6xbOC9GMdcqOIau9TfwWACoRfHNwKGNPntntUDTdIohj7FKCt p7+pEbcPMmuvg+yl8YBN5grMOSymyplSWCHDWgo8O8VsgtnT0GiwEzaCXW7X8YTT0Y05 /0aCKlAKZkHEDlyOnxG+I7j1CkgKi+aJeUUw1b8v6Gey4qznhIFANln20nJ/MXdWVAW2 /s5mSmLHIopwzI4en9XmhB9FKXvGATqaulBnX+0fVknA0nZQ/rL2tEuCyU1YK5sTTBhi Ypvw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Bpwc8OcLpNGTyC5X969cVR/oPGQ7obCQStU5cL+7bcU=; b=sCyKjPPRa/aVS09spgJ0cU6MsvuCuZPoZ8FOlv2txhKcCTCc8UNwLDitIMSL8ArLif VqR/zbyFAVB8wJi4JSsGh7WSrqWMZiLc7HNttUgdSLWLT35SjAbOgcYblbSaKnQqAqjk URznWqC4kPzpqIg5Jxu1IMf8PlZV6rKNZNNlcdTGDUsVJlhLFbu0fQOOcmvTKyHfJ+6x qblImwciJss8Dkdb4YESRtfycy0oE4SQA1lHGYa/p6zmJ7Dc+S2F0Njcs9PCHmmTFt72 KEQoL658PNRYYcZHeGsVttwYHZFXTprQT73lLaHPkLCpENS6ov+b9dnVjfUjKwfMixca 3miA== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw112Xo+NYLlmvmp/FtWOq62vF9xDHru0suXLc4SEK4lbGQE8ahkav h5hVrFuPuxmQ86vKaOKrnPa5PPJr6K5ksXE= X-Received: by 10.80.142.10 with SMTP id 10mr882975edw.127.1501197213270; Thu, 27 Jul 2017 16:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: denis.dupeyron@gmail.com Received: by 10.80.144.140 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Jul 2017 16:12:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20170724222223.6d359e47@sf> References: <20170724222223.6d359e47@sf> From: Denis Dupeyron Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 18:12:52 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: WfGjMkyc3zw5N7Pey_7yKDsh-xI Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts? To: gentoo-dev Cc: wg-stable@gentoo.org, arch-leads@gentoo.org, alpha@gentoo.org, amd64@gentoo.org, amd64-fbsd@gentoo.org, arm@gentoo.org, arm64@gentoo.org, hppa@gentoo.org, ia64@gentoo.org, m68k@gentoo.org, mips@gentoo.org, ppc@gentoo.org, ppc64@gentoo.org, s390@gentoo.org, sh@gentoo.org, sparc@gentoo.org, x86@gentoo.org, x86-fbsd@gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0ea044a2872e055554b65b" X-Archives-Salt: 6ba80e46-9868-4415-9c36-55077c35bd09 X-Archives-Hash: 1d7a65b5a54938a58abe73d824bfbbce --94eb2c0ea044a2872e055554b65b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Sergei Trofimovich wrote: > TL;DR;TL;DR: > [...] Here's a data point you may, or may not, find relevant. in 16 years of using Gentoo exclusively, the only one time I used stable on one machine for about 2 years it ended up being much more of a pain than unstable. Actually, I can't say I have anything to complain about unstable. On my critical machines I snapshot the system subvolume before I update. I can't remember the last time I had to roll back. I'm sure most will disagree with me but since you're indirectly asking for my opinion here it is: I think people working on stable are wasting their time. But who am I to stop them... --94eb2c0ea044a2872e055554b65b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On M= on, Jul 24, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Sergei Trofimovich <slyfox@gentoo.org>= wrote:
TL;DR;TL;DR:
[...]

Here's a data point you may, or = may not, find relevant. in 16 years of using Gentoo exclusively, the only o= ne time I used stable on one machine for about 2 years it ended up being mu= ch more of a pain than unstable. Actually, I can't say I have anything = to complain about unstable. On my critical machines I snapshot the system s= ubvolume before I update. I can't remember the last time I had to roll = back.

I'm sure most will disagree with me but = since you're indirectly asking for my opinion here it is: I think peopl= e working on stable are wasting their time. But who am I to stop them...
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