From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 405221382C5 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2018 12:22:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 87171E094A; Wed, 21 Mar 2018 12:22:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from NAM04-BN3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092009103.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.9.103]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6FFFE0918 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2018 12:22:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CO1NAM04FT005.eop-NAM04.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.90.51) by CO1NAM04HT059.eop-NAM04.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.91.75) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P256) id 15.20.527.25; Wed, 21 Mar 2018 12:22:16 +0000 Received: from BLUPR17MB0273.namprd17.prod.outlook.com (10.152.90.55) by CO1NAM04FT005.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.90.149) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P256) id 15.20.527.25 via Frontend Transport; Wed, 21 Mar 2018 12:22:16 +0000 Received: from BLUPR17MB0273.namprd17.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::7013:9abf:8a27:a1bc]) by BLUPR17MB0273.namprd17.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::7013:9abf:8a27:a1bc%6]) with mapi id 15.20.0609.010; Wed, 21 Mar 2018 12:22:16 +0000 From: Herb Miller Jr. To: "gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org" Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Begin a dev-libs/nodejs category? 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Not while achieving quality results. > > Its viable for an overlay where there's no expectations of quality, but > for the main tree, I find you want to have a human san-check everything > and manually vet each upstream version for "anomalous things". > > Automation is good at handling the "known predictable" cases, humans > are better at detecting "huh, that's weird, why did they do that?" > > Because you absolutely want to know if upstream added some stupid > change that is harmful to Gentoo users before you blindly replicate it. And I agree with you 100%. I would never rely on automation exclusively. I would use it to write boilerplate sections, check for updates, check for breakage, etc. I'd never open a PR for something I hadn't polished myself.