From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QE7Ha-0000pT-CP for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 24 Apr 2011 21:55:58 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5DA3C1C04B; Sun, 24 Apr 2011 21:55:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f41.google.com (mail-ww0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7921C00E for ; Sun, 24 Apr 2011 21:55:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwi18 with SMTP id 18so949095wwi.4 for ; Sun, 24 Apr 2011 14:55:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pjKtGTMpv8HT1/LRuUaCv/F1V4HHiyPuRiAXT8iHgPc=; b=wlHDApim8glgzv4DV7TkpswSq27OrYaWO/ND70isCJCMy+jpbnLIrDe9dM7NqbIbeb EXyW6zuXHkamayQJPzeViK8JB44Hj6CaJj1fonc241yr9SJVq5D1iOOfWu1cqI2FtuYY 4L8Ee9liU9nTYVQJwUxGcbReNu+mgvt/dEacU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Lv35cqevrjxrfXmduGDjc6OmhQdG33XBkRwIYl+spnYv6+CFTf1a0gF5UnkNzwi5Jf uihe/yVUhwf5fAhUuxFWBdoj43A5TjhHaBLp+u1iFhrHgz0fg8xf1naLZEI8z4gksYyf QZS7o2/o6ZWkHPOa1rgRcsINc4ZwXgEp2CGgg= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.82.68 with SMTP id n46mr3203520wee.57.1303682114812; Sun, 24 Apr 2011 14:55:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.161.72 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Apr 2011 14:55:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110424213515.GB24011@linux1> References: <20110424093630.6794a5cd@pomiocik.lan> <20110424213515.GB24011@linux1> Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 16:55:14 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Installing systemd units with gx86 packages From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 1611d8eeda9b22b6ad4dd739026fda5f On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:35 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 09:36:30AM +0200, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: >> Fellow devs, >> >> I've started working on bringing systemd to Gentoo [1] lately, >> and I think it is important to raise the aspect of systemd unit >> inclusion in various packages in gx86 ASAP. >> >> The number of packages coming with systemd units is growing rapidly >> recently, and that especially applies to freedesktop packages. >> One side effect of that is that these packages treat systemd >> as an automagic dependency, installing systemd units whenever its >> pkgconfig file is installed. I already opened two bugs on that [2,3] >> but there would be much more... > > I think the better way to handle this will be to patch the build systems > to not make this an automagic dependency and send those patches > upstream. > > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/automagic.xml > > I'm not a member of qa, but I agree with this position on automagic > dependencies. I'm speaking as a simple user, but I don't think the systemd unit files qualify as automagic dependencies as described by the QA document. In the first place, as Michael pointed out, we can disable them with --without-systemdsystemunitdir, so there is no magic at all. In the second place, the usual Gentoo way of enabling OpenRC services is to *add* init.d scripts in the ebuild, and this is completely orthogonal to a package installing a systemd unit file (the presence of the later does not matter to OpenRC at all). And finally, the idea of systemd is to be a completely distro-agnostic init system, without the multiple failures of SysV, and without the one-company-rule of Upstart; this seems to be actually working, hence a lot of downstream packages are willing (and eager) to ship systemd unit files. The init scripts belong to the packages, they know best how the service/whatever needs to be run. I'm using Gentoo+systemd since a couple of months, and it works incredible well. And I really like the idea of freeing the rather precious Gentoo-developers time off of writing init scripts. Just my 0.02 ${CURRENCY/100}. > William --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico