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From: Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Cc: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: openrc portage news item
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 07:44:20 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BANLkTin-BHy1B6ryF7VgPauX00aAeNREUw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <pan.2011.04.14.08.09.07@cox.net>

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 4:09 AM, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote:
> FWIW/IMHO, I don't believe the news item needs mentioning that it was bash
> that made it slow and inflexible.  Most users don't so much care whether
> it's C or bash or java that made it so, only that it was.

If this were Ubuntu I'd be inclined to agree.  However, I think that
most Gentoo users would be interested.  Maybe I have a different
perspective because I just gave a talk on booting two nights ago at an
LUG, but I wasn't even the one to bring up the shortcomings of bash in
the typical linux SysVInit-based service scripts.  Various approaches
that were discussed included symlinking /bin/sh to dash instead of
bash, and C-based solutions (or a combination of both).  It was
interesting to hear that at least a few other distros struggle with
bashisms in their init scripts, but no so much due to licensing/BSD
issues but because of a desire to use dash which does not support all
bashisms.

No need to go into gory details, but mentioning that it is C-based
instead of bash-based seems reasonable.  Granted, we're not really
getting rid of one of the problems with bash, which isn't just
/sbin/rc but rather it includes the init scripts themselves (every one
of which requires spawning a new bash, and many spawn additional
processes like sed/awk/etc).

Rich



  reply	other threads:[~2011-04-14 11:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-13 18:15 [gentoo-dev] openrc portage news item William Hubbs
2011-04-13 18:27 ` Thomas Beierlein
2011-04-13 18:32 ` justin
2011-04-13 18:41 ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2011-04-13 19:58   ` William Hubbs
2011-04-14  8:09     ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2011-04-14 11:44       ` Rich Freeman [this message]
2011-04-15 14:04       ` Peter Hjalmarsson
2011-04-15 19:01         ` Duncan
2011-04-13 19:56 ` [gentoo-dev] " William Hubbs
2011-04-14  5:30   ` justin
2011-04-14  7:21     ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2011-04-14  8:19       ` justin
2011-04-14  8:40       ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2011-04-14 14:44         ` Dale
2011-04-14 15:41           ` Matthew Summers
2011-04-14 16:12             ` Dale
2011-04-14 18:48             ` William Hubbs
2011-04-14 10:32 ` [gentoo-dev] " Kfir Lavi
2011-04-14 10:32   ` Kfir Lavi
2011-04-14 10:51   ` Tomá? Chvátal
2011-04-14 11:03     ` Pacho Ramos
2011-04-14 11:21     ` Thomas Beierlein
2011-04-14 11:27       ` Sylvain Alain
2011-04-21  1:12   ` Donnie Berkholz
2011-04-21  2:23     ` Jeroen Roovers
2011-04-21  2:34       ` Jeroen Roovers
2011-04-22 10:39     ` Lars Wendler
2011-04-29 18:41       ` Brian Harring
2011-04-30  2:19         ` William Hubbs
2011-04-30  4:59           ` Brian Harring
2011-04-30  7:13             ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2011-04-30 11:46               ` Brian Harring
2011-04-30 12:03                 ` Rich Freeman
2011-04-30 12:58                   ` Brian Harring
2011-04-30 13:06                     ` Jeremy Olexa
2011-04-30 13:40                       ` Brian Harring
2011-04-29  7:08 ` [gentoo-dev] " William Hubbs
2011-04-29 11:21   ` Rich Freeman
2011-04-29 11:28     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2011-04-29 17:18       ` Alex Alexander
2011-04-29 17:25         ` Ulrich Mueller
2011-04-29 17:32           ` Alex Alexander
2011-04-29 17:52           ` Rich Freeman
2011-04-29 17:58             ` Alex Alexander
2011-04-30  0:34               ` William Hubbs
2011-04-30  9:04                 ` Sergei Trofimovich
2011-04-30 12:41                 ` Roy Bamford
2011-04-29 14:27   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2011-05-01 19:12 ` [gentoo-dev] " William Hubbs

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