From: Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Cc: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: openrc portage news item
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 07:44:20 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <BANLkTin-BHy1B6ryF7VgPauX00aAeNREUw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <pan.2011.04.14.08.09.07@cox.net>
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 4:09 AM, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote:
> FWIW/IMHO, I don't believe the news item needs mentioning that it was bash
> that made it slow and inflexible. Most users don't so much care whether
> it's C or bash or java that made it so, only that it was.
If this were Ubuntu I'd be inclined to agree. However, I think that
most Gentoo users would be interested. Maybe I have a different
perspective because I just gave a talk on booting two nights ago at an
LUG, but I wasn't even the one to bring up the shortcomings of bash in
the typical linux SysVInit-based service scripts. Various approaches
that were discussed included symlinking /bin/sh to dash instead of
bash, and C-based solutions (or a combination of both). It was
interesting to hear that at least a few other distros struggle with
bashisms in their init scripts, but no so much due to licensing/BSD
issues but because of a desire to use dash which does not support all
bashisms.
No need to go into gory details, but mentioning that it is C-based
instead of bash-based seems reasonable. Granted, we're not really
getting rid of one of the problems with bash, which isn't just
/sbin/rc but rather it includes the init scripts themselves (every one
of which requires spawning a new bash, and many spawn additional
processes like sed/awk/etc).
Rich
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-04-14 11:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-04-13 18:15 [gentoo-dev] openrc portage news item William Hubbs
2011-04-13 18:27 ` Thomas Beierlein
2011-04-13 18:32 ` justin
2011-04-13 18:41 ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2011-04-13 19:58 ` William Hubbs
2011-04-14 8:09 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2011-04-14 11:44 ` Rich Freeman [this message]
2011-04-15 14:04 ` Peter Hjalmarsson
2011-04-15 19:01 ` Duncan
2011-04-13 19:56 ` [gentoo-dev] " William Hubbs
2011-04-14 5:30 ` justin
2011-04-14 7:21 ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2011-04-14 8:19 ` justin
2011-04-14 8:40 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2011-04-14 14:44 ` Dale
2011-04-14 15:41 ` Matthew Summers
2011-04-14 16:12 ` Dale
2011-04-14 18:48 ` William Hubbs
2011-04-14 10:32 ` [gentoo-dev] " Kfir Lavi
2011-04-14 10:32 ` Kfir Lavi
2011-04-14 10:51 ` Tomá? Chvátal
2011-04-14 11:03 ` Pacho Ramos
2011-04-14 11:21 ` Thomas Beierlein
2011-04-14 11:27 ` Sylvain Alain
2011-04-21 1:12 ` Donnie Berkholz
2011-04-21 2:23 ` Jeroen Roovers
2011-04-21 2:34 ` Jeroen Roovers
2011-04-22 10:39 ` Lars Wendler
2011-04-29 18:41 ` Brian Harring
2011-04-30 2:19 ` William Hubbs
2011-04-30 4:59 ` Brian Harring
2011-04-30 7:13 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2011-04-30 11:46 ` Brian Harring
2011-04-30 12:03 ` Rich Freeman
2011-04-30 12:58 ` Brian Harring
2011-04-30 13:06 ` Jeremy Olexa
2011-04-30 13:40 ` Brian Harring
2011-04-29 7:08 ` [gentoo-dev] " William Hubbs
2011-04-29 11:21 ` Rich Freeman
2011-04-29 11:28 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2011-04-29 17:18 ` Alex Alexander
2011-04-29 17:25 ` Ulrich Mueller
2011-04-29 17:32 ` Alex Alexander
2011-04-29 17:52 ` Rich Freeman
2011-04-29 17:58 ` Alex Alexander
2011-04-30 0:34 ` William Hubbs
2011-04-30 9:04 ` Sergei Trofimovich
2011-04-30 12:41 ` Roy Bamford
2011-04-29 14:27 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2011-05-01 19:12 ` [gentoo-dev] " William Hubbs
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