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Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc portage news item
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2011/4/14 Thomas Beierlein <tomjbe@gentoo.org>
> On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:51:55 +0200
> Tom=C3=A1? Chv=C3=A1tal <scarabeus@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday 14 of April 2011 13:32:04 Kfir Lavi wrote:
> > > When i run world update, I usually don't really check all the
> > > written stuff.
> > >
> > > If I do this, I'm sure a lot more Gentoo users do the same.
> > > So do expect people rebooting the machine without checking what
> > > your have wrote.
> > > This can be a major headache if you have few systems that are doing
> > > auto updates.
> > > I would solve this issue by stopping the emerge and getting the
> > > attention of the user.
> > > If I don't get the attention of the user, no openrc will be
> > > installed. It should be something like emerge -C ... 1 .2 3 4 5...
> > >
> > > To conclude, you can't issue such a change without proper
> > > confirmation from the user.
> > >
> > This was discussed multiple times, news items are to be read.
> > Users ignore elog informations/web announcements/... so it was agreed
> > that news item is agressive enough to user so they must read it.
> > If they don't do so it is just their fault.
> > And no runtime changing for portage where it expect some input is
> > seriously stupid idea, most of us script updates in batch and noone
> > would actualy read it.
> >
> > Never the less as I said we expect user to read that stuff and if he
> > does not he is on his own due to his dumb approach.
>
> Maybe we should underline our intention by having that policy
> documented in the installation handbook. A good place may be section 2
> "Working with
> Gentoo" (http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=3D2)=
.
>
> At least all newbies will stumble upon it once.
>
> Regards,
> Thomas.
>
Yeah, before the stabilization of OpenRc and Baselayout 2.x, the Gentoo
handbook really need to be updated too.
I don't see how a newbie should be able to install his box with an outdated
handbook.
--=20
Salut
alp
Sylvain
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2011/4/14 Thomas Beierlein <span dir=3D"=
ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:tomjbe@gentoo.org">tomjbe@gentoo.org</a>></sp=
an><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:51:55 +0200<br>
Tom=C3=A1? Chv=C3=A1tal <<a href=3D"mailto:scarabeus@gentoo.org">scarabe=
us@gentoo.org</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> On Thursday 14 of April 2011 13:32:04 Kfir Lavi wrote:<br>
> > When i run world update, I usually don't really check all the=
<br>
> > written stuff.<br>
> ><br>
> > If I do this, I'm sure a lot more Gentoo users do the same.<b=
r>
> > So do expect people rebooting the machine without checking what<b=
r>
> > your have wrote.<br>
> > This can be a major headache if you have few systems that are doi=
ng<br>
> > auto updates.<br>
> > I would solve this issue by stopping the emerge and getting the<b=
r>
> > attention of the user.<br>
> > If I don't get the attention of the user, no openrc will be<b=
r>
> > installed. It should be something like emerge -C ... 1 .2 3 4 5..=
.<br>
> ><br>
> > To conclude, you can't issue such a change without proper<br>
> > confirmation from the user.<br>
> ><br>
> This was discussed multiple times, news items are to be read.<br>
> Users ignore elog informations/web announcements/... so it was agreed<=
br>
> that news item is agressive enough to user so they must read it.<br>
> If they don't do so it is just their fault.<br>
> And no runtime changing for portage where it expect some input is<br>
> seriously stupid idea, most of us script updates in batch and noone<br=
>
> would actualy read it.<br>
><br>
> Never the less as I said we expect user to read that stuff and if he<b=
r>
> does not he is on his own due to his dumb approach.<br>
<br>
</div></div>Maybe we should underline our intention by having that policy<b=
r>
documented in the installation handbook. A good place may be section 2<br>
"Working with<br>
Gentoo" (<a href=3D"http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86=
.xml?part=3D2" target=3D"_blank">http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/hand=
book-x86.xml?part=3D2</a>).<br>
<br>
At least all newbies will stumble upon it once.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thomas.<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br>Yeah, before the stabilization of OpenRc and =
Baselayout 2.x, the Gentoo handbook really need to be updated too. <br><br>=
I don't see how a newbie should be able to install his box with an outd=
ated handbook.<br clear=3D"all">
<br>-- <br>Salut<br>alp<br>Sylvain<br><br>
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