Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc portage news item

[Sylvain Alain <d2racing911@gmail.com>]

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2011/4/14 Thomas Beierlein <tomjbe@gentoo.org>

> On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:51:55 +0200
> Tomá? Chvátal <scarabeus@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday 14 of April 2011 13:32:04 Kfir Lavi wrote:
> > > When i run world update, I usually don't really check all the
> > > written stuff.
> > >
> > > If I do this, I'm sure a lot more Gentoo users do the same.
> > > So do expect people rebooting the machine without checking what
> > > your have wrote.
> > > This can be a major headache if you have few systems that are doing
> > > auto updates.
> > > I would solve this issue by stopping the emerge and getting the
> > > attention of the user.
> > > If I don't get the attention of the user, no openrc will be
> > > installed. It should be something like emerge -C ... 1 .2 3 4 5...
> > >
> > > To conclude, you can't issue such a change without proper
> > > confirmation from the user.
> > >
> > This was discussed multiple times, news items are to be read.
> > Users ignore elog informations/web announcements/... so it was agreed
> > that news item is agressive enough to user so they must read it.
> > If they don't do so it is just their fault.
> > And no runtime changing for portage where it expect some input is
> > seriously stupid idea, most of us script updates in batch and noone
> > would actualy read it.
> >
> > Never the less as I said we expect user to read that stuff and if he
> > does not he is on his own due to his dumb approach.
>
> Maybe we should underline our intention by having that policy
> documented in the installation handbook. A good place may be section 2
> "Working with
> Gentoo" (http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=2).
>
> At least all newbies will stumble upon it once.
>
> Regards,
>         Thomas.
>

Yeah, before the stabilization of OpenRc and Baselayout 2.x, the Gentoo
handbook really need to be updated too.

I don't see how a newbie should be able to install his box with an outdated
handbook.

-- 
Salut
alp
Sylvain

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