From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QAOgK-0006GA-Bf for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 15:42:11 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9EDB61C0B7; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 15:41:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qw0-f53.google.com (mail-qw0-f53.google.com [209.85.216.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75D281C006 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 15:41:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwb7 with SMTP id 7so1304757qwb.40 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.73.81 with SMTP id p17mr669967qcj.43.1302795683640; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Sender: matthew.summers@liquidustech.com Received: by 10.229.80.81 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:41:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4DA70861.1060909@gmail.com> References: <20110413181538.GA2894@linux1> <20110413195647.GA3116@linux1> <4DA68664.8090104@gentoo.org> <4DA70861.1060909@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 10:41:23 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: bS-deWPd1oHaPzq9Ugep8NEA5_o Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: openrc portage news item From: Matthew Summers To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: William Hubbs Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=0016e640826ef0367904a0e2c18d X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 0d86ead905ad82721fb2b74230b18226 --0016e640826ef0367904a0e2c18d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, I have a few suggestions regarding this major change to Gentoo systems. 1. We should determine and then announce the precise date (appears to be in May) and time that baselayout-2 will be stabilized via: 1.1 A front page News item on www.g.o (PR team assemble!), 1.2 The main MLs (gentoo-announce, gentoo-users, etc), 1.3 Add a link to the www news item to /topic in #gentoo, and 1.4 Post a sticky topic in the Forum. all in addition to the eselect news item under discussion here. The above would link to the migration guide too. The rationale for this effort at getting the word out is to prevent users from hosing their system(s). While I tend to agree that users should read these eselect news items, its often not the case. Therefore I recommend shooting for the widest possible distribution of this information. Also, this gives PR a chance to let the world know about openrc and its benefits to Gentoo. 2. We should prepare a quick "recover-your-system" guide (could also create a script too) that can be quickly linked to for user support. This will save time for people providing support via IRC, email, etc, and give people a reasonable means of system recovery without huge pain. 3. Update the handbook to reflect these changes as soon as possible, and have that all go public simultaneously with the stabilization. 4. I have attached an edited and unfinished version of the original news item for review. I attempted to be succinct. This is a really exciting and potentially also rather anxiety-provoking change for our user base and Gentoo. We all know that the new baselayout is awesome, and users will find out soon enough. We simply need to make our best effort at easing the transition so we minimize the number of casualties. Thank you, Matt -- Matthew W. Summers --0016e640826ef0367904a0e2c18d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="2011-05-01-baselayout-update.en.txt" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="2011-05-01-baselayout-update.en.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Attachment-Id: f_gmhuwogv0 VGl0bGU6IEJhc2VsYXlvdXQgdXBkYXRlCkF1dGhvcjogQ2hyaXN0aWFuIEZhdWxoYW1tZXIgPGZh dWxpQGdlbnRvby5vcmc+CkF1dGhvcjogV2lsbGlhbSBIdWJicyA8d2lsbGlhbWhAZ2VudG9vLm9y Zz4KQ29udGVudC1UeXBlOiB0ZXh0L3BsYWluClBvc3RlZDogMjAxMS0wNS0wMQpSZXZpc2lvbjog MQpOZXdzLUl0ZW0tRm9ybWF0OiAxLjAKRGlzcGxheS1JZi1JbnN0YWxsZWQ6IDxzeXMtYXBwcy9i YXNlbGF5b3V0LTIKCk9uIE1heSBYWCAyMDExLCB5b3Ugd2lsbCBzZWUgYW4gdXBkYXRlIGZvciBz eXMtYXBwcy9iYXNlbGF5b3V0IHRvCjIueCBhbmQgYSBuZXcgcGFja2FnZSwgc3lzLWFwcHMvb3Bl bnJjLiBJdCBpcyByZWNvbW1lbmRlZCB0aGF0IHlvdQpwZXJmb3JtIHRoaXMgdXBkYXRlIGFzIHNv b24gYXMgcG9zc2libGUuIFBsZWFzZSBub3RlLCBpdCBpcwpfX0Fic29sdXRlbHlfQ3JpdGljYWxf XyB0aGF0IHlvdSBmb2xsb3cgdGhlIHN0ZXBzIG91dGxpbmVkIGluIHRoZSAKbWlncmF0aW9uIGd1 aWRlIGxvY2F0ZWQgYXQgdGhlIGZvbGxvd2luZyBVUkwuCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cuZ2VudG9vLm9yZy9k b2MvZW4vb3BlbnJjLW1pZ3JhdGlvbi54bWwKCkZBSUxVUkUgVE8gRk9MTE9XIFRIRSBNSUdSQVRJ T04gR1VJREUKQ0FOIFJFU1VMVCBJTiBBTiBVTkJPT1RBQkxFIFNZU1RFTSEKCkZvciBtb3JlIGlu Zm9ybWF0aW9uIG9yIHN1cHBydCByZWdhcmRpbmcgdGhpcyBjaGFuZ2UgcGxlYXNlIHNlZSB0aGUK Zm9sbG93aW5nOgotIGxpbmsgdG8gbmV3cyBpdGVtIChzaG91bGQgY29udGFpbiBpbmZvIHJlZ2Fy ZGluZyB3aGVyZSB0byBvYnRhaW4gc3VwcG9ydCkKLSBsaW5rIHRvIHJlY292ZXItc3lzdGVtIGd1 aWRlCi0gbGluayB0byBoYW5kYm9vaw== --0016e640826ef0367904a0e2c18d--