From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02DC2138334 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2018 18:12:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 293E5E07EE; Sun, 5 Aug 2018 18:12:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (dev.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA94BE079C for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2018 18:12:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.5.121] (pool-96-232-204-110.nycmny.fios.verizon.net [96.232.204.110]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ryao) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 61D8F335CC8 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2018 18:12:37 +0000 (UTC) From: Richard Yao Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 14:12:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Idea for a new project: gentoo-libs Message-Id: References: <20180623025046.djmsv44moxuqkv6t@proprietary-killer> <1529738520.21177.5.camel@gentoo.org> <20180623073030.wdrjfrcv3swqwfkx@proprietary-killer> <77476CA5-628E-44D2-8BC1-63718DA34B12@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Mailer: iPad Mail (15G77) X-Archives-Salt: 0e5ec2e1-6a1d-4763-9b34-f3bc0a377e83 X-Archives-Hash: 81a375b88c042b920e2dd22361e95d46 > On Aug 5, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >=20 >> On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 1:01 PM Alec Warner wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> Part of my frustration is that seemingly "anything open source related >> can be held in Gentoo" and I'm somewhat against that as I feel it >> dilutes the Gentoo mission. We are here to make a distribution, not >> maintain random libraries. If you want to do that feel free; but I >> don't see a need for that work to be associated with Gentoo. >>=20 >=20 > Honestly, other than maybe some prestige I don't really get the point > of hosting random software in Gentoo either. These days getting a > repo on github or any of its 47 competitors is a few clicks. You have > zero overhead from a governance standpoint, and a dev can of course > stick ebuilds in the main repository with zero interference. It seems > a lot cleaner from a copyright/etc standpoint as well. Prestige is good. We have prestige from our (myself and a few others) work i= n upstream ZFS and Gentoo is well respected there. You will not hear binary p= ackage zealots bashing Gentoo in ZFS circles. If a sub-project that touches t= he entire OSS community can be even a tenth as effective as the efforts in Z= FS have been in eliminating binary package zealotry, it would be well worth i= t. >=20 > Even openrc is hosted outside of Gentoo these days, which makes perfect se= nse. >=20 > With the distro as a whole it is a bit more complex, though honestly > I'd love to see us get to a point where the whole thing can be > SECURELY hosted entirely off-infra as well, even if we still chose to > run our own infra. I just see it as a way to both provide options to > our users and ourselves. For the latter, being able to host anything > on an outside service means that if some component of infra goes down > we could have mirrors already running and pulling from infra, or if > for some reason somebody sues us or roots us or whatever we can pick > up and move without much fuss. >=20 > Running your own wiki/bugzilla/lists/etc was about the only way to do > things in the 90s/etc, but these days there are other options... >=20 > --=20 > Rich >=20