From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OWIwp-0008Rr-1Q for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 00:57:11 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B92AE086E; Wed, 7 Jul 2010 00:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vw0-f53.google.com (mail-vw0-f53.google.com [209.85.212.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 382D8E0823 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2010 00:56:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws15 with SMTP id 15so8161576vws.40 for ; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.169.21 with SMTP id w21mr2921861vcy.62.1278464211592; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Sender: cardoe@cardoe.com Received: by 10.220.182.77 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jul 2010 17:56:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100705161321.GB27423@nibiru.local> References: <201007041630.07537.polynomial-c@gentoo.org> <201007041702.43848.vapier@gentoo.org> <201007050004.41284.polynomial-c@gentoo.org> <201007041815.44902.vapier@gentoo.org> <1278291821.2567.3.camel@TesterTop4> <20100705161321.GB27423@nibiru.local> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 19:56:51 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: LqblgKd_nXf2JY0_rXKxZbUF20Y Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] The future of sys-apps/openrc in Gentoo From: Doug Goldstein To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 89e7f6a8-2179-408d-b9c1-039c99eeac6d X-Archives-Hash: 2f7e44e944d53467e21cd5cec5f05eff On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Enrico Weigelt wrote: > * Nirbheek Chauhan schrieb: > >> What you are saying makes sense for desktop users since they will >> likely already have consolekit/policykit/nm-applet installed, and >> hence using NetworkManager for all network management makes sense. > > Actually, I've got several Gentoo-based desktop systems, none of > them uses any these packages. > >> From what I can see, we have three options: >> (a) Make our existing openrc network code + openrc configuration files >> work with systemd, and move to systemd by default >> (b) Make systemd work with openrc+NM configuration files[1], make NM >> work w/o PK/CK[2], add command line tools to NM, and move to systemd >> by default. >> (c) Support systemd as an alternative init system for use by desktop use= rs. > > =C2=A0(d) Fix systemd to get rid of dependencies to dbus, etc. > > (e) Get our network scripts compatible with netcf [1], which is the way of the future for letting applications modify the network configuration of the system. [1] https://fedorahosted.org/netcf/ --=20 Doug Goldstein