From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OOkZ2-000086-F7 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 04:49:24 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BA6D0E0A91; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 04:49:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-px0-f181.google.com (mail-px0-f181.google.com [209.85.212.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14DD1E0A70; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 04:48:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi18 with SMTP id 18so191415pxi.40 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.153.9 with SMTP id f9mr5936087wfo.29.1276663732346; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Sender: antarus@scriptkitty.com Received: by 10.142.200.1 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:48:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C184B06.8040806@gentoo.org> References: <4C184B06.8040806@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:48:52 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: YtnCFnL28-G9ENW0ElIIDheIVMw Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] The mis-concept of "slacking" in Gentoo From: Alec Warner To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: gentoo-project Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 41d49753-7dde-43eb-8fb4-01f328f731a3 X-Archives-Hash: fb1a4357169a6c36653d034bb5ec446f +project, -dev On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote= : > Hello! > > > When you are active in Gentoo during one week and less active during the > next it may happen that people (sometimes jokingly) call you a > "slacker". =C2=A0This pattern seems to have become common enough that peo= ple > even started calling themselves slackers when they are less active than > potentially possible. =C2=A0Is this reasonable and healthy? > > No, it isn't. > Why is it unhealthy? Do you think it encourages people to 'always meet their potential?' I think it is very healthy for developers to note when they cannot meet what many would consider their 'routine' workload so that the community can attempt to detect and meeting these staffing needs. You may dislike the manner in which some developers make this known 'hahaha I slacked off last week..' but the end result is that it happens (often in .away messages.) > As far as I know most if not all Gentoo developers do unpaid voluntary > work in and for Gentoo. =C2=A0So every single minute a Gentoo developer p= uts > into Gentoo is a gift, incontrast to understanding every other minute a > stolen one. =C2=A0How come such a wrong concept even made it into the pro= cess > of the council? =C2=A0Officially being marked as a slacker? =C2=A0Is that= the only > way to ensure an active council? I would hesitate to make the assertion that every minute spent on Gentoo is a gift. You are not counting the people who do not always have a positive impact on the community (see the other thread where you brought up CoC violations and other 'gifts' of community members.) Do you disagree with the policy that council members should attend the meetings? If so why? If not, what is wrong with the existing policy; the wording? > > To get this mis-concept out again I need your help. > There is no such thing as slacking in Gentoo - no matter how many weeks > you ran without commits. =C2=A0It's time to get this understanding back t= o > its healthy counterpart. =C2=A0Yes, it does make a difference to call a > script activity-monitor or slacking-detector. I am unsure what you are actually asking to change. Are you aiming to change developer behavior? Tools? Processes? > > What do we need to to do fix this? > What are the places where you observe this inversion? > > Thanks for your interest, > > > > Sebastian > >