From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OP3Yc-0006DR-BF for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 01:06:14 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C6BBE09C4; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 01:05:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f53.google.com (mail-fx0-f53.google.com [209.85.161.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F00E5E0D94 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 01:05:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm16 with SMTP id 16so4356706fxm.40 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:05:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xVerO18pLGFNxwxPeAfR45ks4gmSdYGwbb8abFPhc8k=; b=YrvYtQ2xuhTWZCb1HHu6fwDIpRJPqlRJ6PlkFyA9lmij4LD7/hX6hg9vru9qozQiXC Ez2ghw0if2xCLpLXt/jKnUz5Q7hbkxppqTOy5ai11XVduo35a0Io3zUzO3/fNk038oSh W3HjLQG6F3z1RTOlTLOxSftD5oVn4dfNFPCOI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=eq76iZPyoIS5Yr9f0kg223XCbCurbD1t9g0gkEqfFHT0f9uLemBVWncLnZv8VmtDRq OS24dczH5nDiEIxQcNg1rGAuIXh7+pNdgsLiPzN0PwjqxePSychegUFJKd32UK2yHGx1 iA3XJovEQjJIQoxhp7wczsmeKiWZIvfcSaFug= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.85.70 with SMTP id n6mr7124426bkl.189.1276736745916; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Sender: yngwin.gentoo@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.82.33 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:05:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C196D69.6070808@gentoo.org> References: <4C196595.20600@gentoo.org> <4C196D69.6070808@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 03:05:45 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: BjVCSOAdXzLGCaOYo69j7L8FxeY Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel From: Ben de Groot To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: ed67d1bf-ecfd-4bde-beec-b64867ab5bf2 X-Archives-Hash: e461d18aae2848d8aa6f8e8d6c0486db On 17 June 2010 02:33, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > On 17-06-2010 00:00, Sebastian Pipping wrote: >> yngwin's devaway message still reads >> >> =C2=A0 "inactive, pending resolution of devrel issue". >> >> yngwin retired. =C2=A0I woudn't go as far as saying that his case made h= im >> retire but I definitely say that _DevRel failed on his case_. >> I believe I had enough insight to be able to say. > > Sebastian, > > not being in the Developer Relations team means you don't have a > complete picture about what happened. I've been in contact with Sebastian since the beginning of my conflict with Calchan, and kept him in the loop. Apart from anything that might have taken place behind the closed doors of DevRel that I myself don't know about either, he has a good picture of what happened. >> =C2=A04) Disallow membership with both the conflict resolution group >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 and the council at the same time (as the council is where = issues >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 with devrel are taken to). > > The reason the elections page clearly identifies members of devrel is to > alert developers to possible conflicts. > To clarify your above statement, I read it as being about the fact that > disciplinary actions of DevRel can be appealed to the Council. If it > were meant globally, I'd have to note that whenever you cannot reach an > agreement with any project or their lead, you'll have to "appeal" to the > council. I indicated to Sebastian that if DevRel's verdict in my case would turn out to be negative, that I am not inclined to appeal to Council. As two of the most influential DevRel members happen to also be two of the most influential Council members, I would not expect a different outcome. I think there is a conflict of interest here, and I agree with Sebastian that it would be better if that were avoided. Cheers, Ben