From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OTCnz-0000c2-CV for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:47:25 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6DDDDE0C14; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:47:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com (mail-wy0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033E1E0ACC for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyi11 with SMTP id 11so475245wyi.40 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 04:46:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=7u2DB6NbOO9w+7tF8nvyIwkHvQLeITKpEVXXOuyCyBo=; b=Tyj0vU74DxszSgVL7R5R5mHDptCl/ErGtBlHx/8Ng0q36SeuHE8mZs043l2esB9ykK 1B20unrRnNqD0bbULYngQGfFAtkXjoikm7N2s4jvI9T3EhWW3gHPavjg0v6sLW6qT0kC O4xEAJOcZoQ3wL3HyRH2qFMYjGhNEdGeq91Zc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ar3NrpHdJytULa+Jx2VI2+1SfUwxraatQsYzRUdkQ+WPYSsdTBo3k+qla7iiI6qyiO kJrfnSlN+eTrm7kP9J6kS97LJ/WxbZvmEgMysXzvhm/LA9kSr4MCFqUW0wyv9Af2Iy8B 0yk5AB8neJ7W7sETjYaPqitPuhUU22lTkHHyM= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.185.74 with SMTP id t52mr7999532wem.54.1277725613441; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 04:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.177.65 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 04:46:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20100628083559.2c810fda@snowcone> <4C2852F6.30003@gentoo.org> <20100628085119.1631337d@snowcone> <4C285876.4020208@gentoo.org> <20100628091632.14dca3c9@snowcone> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 12:46:53 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Adding --as-needed to LDFLAGS in profiles/default/linux/make.defaults From: David Leverton To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 8e681a9e-660f-4624-b2c0-90081d4e8542 X-Archives-Hash: 6966f9d6dcd738302e5b6a8ace5b9ee3 On 28 June 2010 12:09, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: > [...] The only one playing politics here is you. Adding --as-needed changes the semantics of the toolchain so as to violate the relevant standards. In some specific cases it might be OK or even beneficial, but doing it by default is wrong by definition. This has been pointed out ever since the issue was first discussed, but some people like to stick their fingers in their ears and dismiss legitimate technical arguments as "trolling" and "politics". If people seriously want to improve the tone in Gentoo, then the first thing to fix is those who like to demonise others out of spite for pointing out flaws in their ideas.