From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OP3g8-0007n1-Cw for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 01:14:00 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A74CE0951; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 01:13:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.154]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD8CE09B8 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 01:13:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 22so1414087fge.10 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:13:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=iJO4ycFCdlBhNU9Heqs2Bdyts9coNnqUS1M/kzcI7M4=; b=u2WffdmGwaZ40CeWDET/Fa8BeRFynqz0v9NVqWCUXJHdruaVeghXnQywFkXUYKB76h KReJ9hUwfvoyoJBl5a7fwbDVCDkEif3yz65Cb3Bhpb3l7XAN2GsA2ny2HX4vfgfe79KS JOCJJdmRg6mbBUGa/2mYs16mBL23aedJPJDG8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Cq7/tbZcKYLPjdshEghkoKW1h2a588W2Dd+i1jzt6nrZgyxHjamsC13tWwKEaRnLsI O1d6JqiM6sflF2ir1u9r6cx9mO5S0UWxa2LiqyE0bKrhW0KXDQSfe8vNbrnsX/peEcHX M3IvLkQaarzg3dNw7+xKG3pWjabeK/PXsgu2A= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.81.209 with SMTP id y17mr7160239bkk.51.1276737230463; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Sender: yngwin.gentoo@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.82.33 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:13:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C1965C0.9070304@gentoo.org> References: <4C184607.5080907@gentoo.org> <4C18FE36.7040700@gentoo.org> <4C1965C0.9070304@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 03:13:50 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c-RzEHhIcvW2I8eSnjdyNEsqVzw Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo From: Ben de Groot To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 1afbb484-dce8-4413-8c21-8019134e1ca4 X-Archives-Hash: 8a7c20dee8a26aa7a4490f83ee581b9b On 17 June 2010 02:01, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > On 16-06-2010 16:39, "Pawe=C5=82 Hajdan, Jr." wrote: >> On 6/16/10 5:33 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: >>> =C2=A0- With these Code of Conduct rules in place how come DevRel >>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0is not publicly reminding of these rules where necessary? >> >> I think the initiative is on the offended person's side. If a developer >> is being aggressive and needlessly argumentative towards other people, >> that's clearly a misconduct. Similarly for aggressive users. > > There is a common misconception here that I feel the need to address. It > was never the direct responsibility of the Developer Relations team to > "police" the communication mediums nor was it assigned the > responsibility to enforce the CoC. DevRel is repsonsible for solving conflicts between developers. Apparently I am not the only one who expects DevRel to take an active role in enforcing the CoC, at least where it concerns inter-developer relations. If this is not DevRel's task, then this should be made explicit. > There was a mostly silent agreement between some teams, including > DevRel, UserRel, Council and Trustees, that after the Proctors project > was terminated, the enforcement of the CoC, including any moderation or > banning actions, would fall to the UserRel team. This is very worrying. Such things should never be a silent agreement. This needs to be open and transparent. This is policy that needs to be explicit. Cheers, Ben