From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OjW8t-0005qq-BX for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:40:15 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EC321E09DD; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:40:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f53.google.com (mail-fx0-f53.google.com [209.85.161.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 232C3E09D4 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:39:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm15 with SMTP id 15so802149fxm.40 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 04:39:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=eg73q9kJxC3fXGnBpzXjFryTZbWshSuqHRYIVMutBLw=; b=Y3gZcmteD964XHQzh+LrezgFvN1Qg82KS9cO5OzXDHpMO+hgZgCiuBX8oHwHsSJtUR +Vf4fElWddvgiBVumbTPNoMBhZ0WeXjUZv96Cd8HhgjD+/+PSviuAAqbe2E5iyL8HapF YTU4YygD4a8YciYAwGfzptxktriaUFfFto3SY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=rhIfSLredpTEqCYGxbbOYMuvsqgmhIJ2ge4dxFUzwOzPn7yocVAC3Ke39kUcsOBkYc 8iAcEvwTNsrYnOaphWuQDLCuQOqfeJRVdLjd15bdAEQKLnkcMVM2iXX7XsqUHffaw0FF T3JEBHm7ypxYdkKmNV+kzAGjKPVrPIfSvfJCQ= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.119.133 with SMTP id z5mr21486008faq.62.1281613187351; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 04:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Sender: vapierfilter@gmail.com Received: by 10.223.109.134 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 04:39:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20100807211559.GB21345@linux1> <201008121113.52775.bangert@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 07:39:47 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Lxcz6q427B282HQNAJ6hbgXs8uw Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] status of releng project From: Mike Frysinger To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: 7551fc08-3df3-4024-9fb0-8d0143302ceb X-Archives-Hash: 5da939555079a5db1b6d5093e43bc135 On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 5:39 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 12 August 2010 17:13, Thilo Bangert wrote: >> Ben de Groot said: >>> On 9 August 2010 14:29, Mike Frysinger wrote: >>> > sure would be nice if someone picked up the installer again ... >>> >>> No, it wouldn't. Best leave that dead and buried. >> >> Could you explain why you think so? > > 1) it was an experiment plagued by bugs, some *very* serious bugs are not a reason to not work on a solution many found useful > 2) the normal, "hands-on", follow the handbook, manual install has > always been the recommended way to install Gentoo, and could be > considered a rite of passage, familiarizing the user with how things > are done in this distro *yawn* ... heralding from the age of "everything is done from the console" does not preclude simple and helpful GUI automation. no one is talking about changing the recommended install procedure, just providing more options. forcing a command line install can also waste time on repeat installs as knowledge of the install procedures really doesnt help you in maintenance of Gentoo once installed. > 3) too few people are interested in developing, testing and > maintaining this; making it more likely that a revival of this project > will result in failure again that's why i said "it'd be nice" and not "i'm going to do it" -mike