From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OQ5KA-00055C-5W for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 21:11:34 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B9EA7E09A9; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 21:11:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f53.google.com (mail-fx0-f53.google.com [209.85.161.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0F3E0AEF for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 21:11:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm6 with SMTP id 6so484998fxm.40 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 14:11:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=z13Mg/+naWPKK0sZ16p3VXIr1dHHN0ez4DIU24/cBHM=; b=Pn3AH2HQ31K7JbbFIU4u9Dh1s+202CtaOwW0dOvyhxSsbN6PW1UwK4Tq3nMOLHq/Zt 2GsBi6lzskaT8IczpppSuVWF0ZHs3ox5k83Gt58jnEznAlSxlcfMD8iUTQz/euO1YrON 98ZcVwIe3b2nbRv3gLquU9VJOTB3+TNvAzX24= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=bu8DbTYDZAXxXU9yDD8KXAtXRvhHn86Z1U3bCVhOMl8F+1kiORAJiIfqXVMcwsCBiC v84OPa7o2DSmj5RAwL6Z8k4BXTqWAQCGOj6Cr1ghGXiiDOXbwBcAjCQqH8Dy/fywvLK6 23VvElHIKTj24FvTKhLaoFXLCOYX1dqfBdP9s= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.67.38 with SMTP id u38mr934340muk.107.1276981411419; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 14:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Sender: yngwin.gentoo@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.82.33 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 14:03:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100619185906.72367d63@snowcone> References: <4C184607.5080907@gentoo.org> <4C1C2A90.1020603@gentoo.org> <4C1C6725.4090109@gentoo.org> <4C1C6D80.3000308@gentoo.org> <20100619185906.72367d63@snowcone> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 23:03:31 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ySPADAK2yQRiPZckNegxwCYw2d0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo From: Ben de Groot To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: e5696fcb-7e98-48a7-9c97-318cf9e765e5 X-Archives-Hash: 169107b39f7934836e3a339124cea010 On 19 June 2010 19:59, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 12:54:25 +0200 > Ben de Groot wrote: >> This is a point that deserves more consideration. One of the top >> reasons (as witnessed in forum discussions) > > Unfortunately, that's selecting a rather biased audience. The success > of a forum depends upon the number of active posters it has. The number > of active posters it has depends upon how many people need to post > there to get answers to questions, and how many wrong answers have to > be given before the right answer comes up. Thus, by selecting from the > forums, you're picking an audience that likes talking endlessly about > communities, not one that likes to answer a question once, correctly, > and then change things so the question doesn't need to be answered > again. That is an incredibly shortsighted and cynic look at the community. Keep it off this list. >> Does Gentoo really prefer to keep more sensitive people out instead >> of effectively getting rid of repeat offenders? > > All bringing more sensitive people in does is cripples the > distribution's ability to delivery any technical improvements, since > everyone's time is wasted worrying about the whiners Not at all. Instead of wasting time on flamewars, and people getting upset and leaving because of the attacks, we'd have a bunch of people who would know how to work together in a friendly way. That speeds up the process to come to technical improvements. Once again: keep your cynic, twisted look off this list. We have no use for it. >> Think about it. What kind of people would you rather have in Gentoo? > > Personally, I'd like to see Gentoo start having the kinds of people who > deliver a better product, not the kinds of people who worry that using > a gender-ambiguous cow as a logo might be offensive. Once again you are derailing the conversation. Nobody brought up anything about a logo. It is about whether Gentoo wants to keep around people like you, who continually attack others, or whether it prefers to have people who want to work together in a friendlier atmosphere. A smoother cooperation is in the interest of technical improvements too. There already is a distro that works like you envision it. It's called Exherbo. You should try it, you might like it. I would suggest you spend your time and energy on that, and leave Gentoo to do things the friendlier way. Cheers, Ben