* [gentoo-dev] Retirement @ 2006-11-03 19:15 Jon Portnoy 2006-11-03 19:23 ` Wernfried Haas ` (11 more replies) 0 siblings, 12 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Jon Portnoy @ 2006-11-03 19:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: devrel, robbat2 I've been mostly inactive for a good while but hanging on mostly for sentimentality's sake, it's past time for that to stop. I mostly only maintain a small handful of ebuilds, I'm sure they can find proper homes quickly. None are maintenance-intensive. And of course, the only thing anyone is really concerned about; robbat2 has already laid claim to fortune-mod-gentoo-dev ;) Later. It's been fun, it's been real, but it hasn't been real fun. :) I'll be around #gentoo/#-dev. -- Jon Portnoy avenj/irc.freenode.net -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Retirement 2006-11-03 19:15 [gentoo-dev] Retirement Jon Portnoy @ 2006-11-03 19:23 ` Wernfried Haas 2006-11-03 19:32 ` Peter Johanson ` (10 subsequent siblings) 11 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Wernfried Haas @ 2006-11-03 19:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 598 bytes --] On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 02:15:58PM -0500, Jon Portnoy wrote: > And of course, the only thing anyone is really concerned about; robbat2 > has already laid claim to fortune-mod-gentoo-dev ;) Good to hear the really important packages are in good hands. :-) > Later. It's been fun, it's been real, but it hasn't been real fun. :) Too bad to see you go, thanks for the stuff you did to^Wfor Gentoo. cheers, Wernfried -- Wernfried Haas (amne) - amne at gentoo dot org Gentoo Forums: http://forums.gentoo.org IRC: #gentoo-forums on freenode - email: forum-mods at gentoo dot org [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 189 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Retirement 2006-11-03 19:15 [gentoo-dev] Retirement Jon Portnoy 2006-11-03 19:23 ` Wernfried Haas @ 2006-11-03 19:32 ` Peter Johanson 2006-11-03 19:49 ` Seemant Kulleen ` (9 subsequent siblings) 11 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Peter Johanson @ 2006-11-03 19:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 02:15:58PM -0500, Jon Portnoy wrote: > I've been mostly inactive for a good while but hanging on mostly for > sentimentality's sake, it's past time for that to stop. > > I mostly only maintain a small handful of ebuilds, I'm sure they can > find proper homes quickly. None are maintenance-intensive. > > And of course, the only thing anyone is really concerned about; robbat2 > has already laid claim to fortune-mod-gentoo-dev ;) > > Later. It's been fun, it's been real, but it hasn't been real fun. :) > > I'll be around #gentoo/#-dev. Sad to see another of the old faces leave. Best of luck in whatever it is you choose to spend your time on. -pete -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Retirement 2006-11-03 19:15 [gentoo-dev] Retirement Jon Portnoy 2006-11-03 19:23 ` Wernfried Haas 2006-11-03 19:32 ` Peter Johanson @ 2006-11-03 19:49 ` Seemant Kulleen 2006-11-03 20:37 ` [gentoo-dev] Retirement Christian Faulhammer 2006-11-03 20:15 ` [gentoo-dev] Retirement Josh Saddler ` (8 subsequent siblings) 11 siblings, 1 reply; 27+ messages in thread From: Seemant Kulleen @ 2006-11-03 19:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev Wow, this retirement f*cks me up some, I have to say. I'll give you a better send off on the planet blogs, because for now I'm still reeling from the news. I'll miss you, that's for sure. -- Seemant Kulleen Developer, Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement 2006-11-03 19:49 ` Seemant Kulleen @ 2006-11-03 20:37 ` Christian Faulhammer 0 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Christian Faulhammer @ 2006-11-03 20:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev Tach Seemant, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID) Seemant Kulleen schrieb: > Wow, this retirement f*cks me up some, I have to say. I'll give you a > better send off on the planet blogs, because for now I'm still reeling > from the news. Hey, you could write a praise for new devs...for me e.g. V-Li -- Fingerprint: 68C5 D381 B69A A777 6A91 E999 350A AD7C 2B85 9DE3 http://www.gnupg.org/ -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Retirement 2006-11-03 19:15 [gentoo-dev] Retirement Jon Portnoy ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2006-11-03 19:49 ` Seemant Kulleen @ 2006-11-03 20:15 ` Josh Saddler 2006-11-03 20:42 ` Paul de Vrieze ` (7 subsequent siblings) 11 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Josh Saddler @ 2006-11-03 20:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 633 bytes --] Jon Portnoy wrote: > I've been mostly inactive for a good while but hanging on mostly for > sentimentality's sake, it's past time for that to stop. > > I mostly only maintain a small handful of ebuilds, I'm sure they can > find proper homes quickly. None are maintenance-intensive. > > And of course, the only thing anyone is really concerned about; robbat2 > has already laid claim to fortune-mod-gentoo-dev ;) > > Later. It's been fun, it's been real, but it hasn't been real fun. :) > > I'll be around #gentoo/#-dev. > So long, thanks for all you've done. Thanks too for f-m-g-dev, too. :D. Good luck! [-- Attachment #2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 189 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Retirement 2006-11-03 19:15 [gentoo-dev] Retirement Jon Portnoy ` (3 preceding siblings ...) 2006-11-03 20:15 ` [gentoo-dev] Retirement Josh Saddler @ 2006-11-03 20:42 ` Paul de Vrieze 2006-11-03 22:23 ` Donnie Berkholz ` (6 subsequent siblings) 11 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Paul de Vrieze @ 2006-11-03 20:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 872 bytes --] On Friday 03 November 2006 20:15, Jon Portnoy wrote: > I've been mostly inactive for a good while but hanging on mostly for > sentimentality's sake, it's past time for that to stop. > > I mostly only maintain a small handful of ebuilds, I'm sure they can > find proper homes quickly. None are maintenance-intensive. > > And of course, the only thing anyone is really concerned about; robbat2 > has already laid claim to fortune-mod-gentoo-dev ;) > > Later. It's been fun, it's been real, but it hasn't been real fun. :) > > I'll be around #gentoo/#-dev. I feel a bid sad to see you go. Even sadder that because of legalities you never got to serve on the board of trustees. For the rest, all the best of luck and see you around. Greetings, Paul -- Paul de Vrieze Gentoo Developer Mail: pauldv@gentoo.org Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Retirement 2006-11-03 19:15 [gentoo-dev] Retirement Jon Portnoy ` (4 preceding siblings ...) 2006-11-03 20:42 ` Paul de Vrieze @ 2006-11-03 22:23 ` Donnie Berkholz 2006-11-04 1:20 ` [gentoo-dev] Retirement Duncan ` (5 subsequent siblings) 11 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Donnie Berkholz @ 2006-11-03 22:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: devrel, robbat2 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 304 bytes --] Jon Portnoy wrote: > I've been mostly inactive for a good while but hanging on mostly for > sentimentality's sake, it's past time for that to stop. Thanks for everything, Jon. You've been a great friend and will continue to be. That's more meaningful than any of the work we've done. Donnie [-- Attachment #2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 252 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement 2006-11-03 19:15 [gentoo-dev] Retirement Jon Portnoy ` (5 preceding siblings ...) 2006-11-03 22:23 ` Donnie Berkholz @ 2006-11-04 1:20 ` Duncan 2006-11-04 8:33 ` [gentoo-dev] Retirement Alin Nastac ` (4 subsequent siblings) 11 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Duncan @ 2006-11-04 1:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev Jon Portnoy <avenj@gentoo.org> posted 20061103191558.GA5793@cerberus.oppresses.us, excerpted below, on Fri, 03 Nov 2006 14:15:58 -0500: > I've been mostly inactive for a good while but hanging on mostly for > sentimentality's sake, it's past time for that to stop. > > I mostly only maintain a small handful of ebuilds, I'm sure they can find > proper homes quickly. None are maintenance-intensive. > > And of course, the only thing anyone is really concerned about; robbat2 > has already laid claim to fortune-mod-gentoo-dev ;) > > Later. It's been fun, it's been real, but it hasn't been real fun. :) > > I'll be around #gentoo/#-dev. Wow, I think I'm learning what it feels like to be old, and see all the folks you knew before retiring and going elsewhere. I'm just a user, but this announcement stings! Wishing you well wherever you go. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Retirement 2006-11-03 19:15 [gentoo-dev] Retirement Jon Portnoy ` (6 preceding siblings ...) 2006-11-04 1:20 ` [gentoo-dev] Retirement Duncan @ 2006-11-04 8:33 ` Alin Nastac 2006-11-04 22:15 ` Stuart Herbert ` (3 subsequent siblings) 11 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Alin Nastac @ 2006-11-04 8:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 365 bytes --] Jon Portnoy wrote: > I've been mostly inactive for a good while but hanging on mostly for > sentimentality's sake, it's past time for that to stop. > > Sad to see another one of us throwing the towel, but I guess this is just life. People came, people go... Thanks for all the things you have done, but mostly, thanks for your kind personality :'( [-- Attachment #2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 252 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Retirement 2006-11-03 19:15 [gentoo-dev] Retirement Jon Portnoy ` (7 preceding siblings ...) 2006-11-04 8:33 ` [gentoo-dev] Retirement Alin Nastac @ 2006-11-04 22:15 ` Stuart Herbert 2006-11-05 16:04 ` Roy Bamford ` (2 subsequent siblings) 11 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Stuart Herbert @ 2006-11-04 22:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev On 11/3/06, Jon Portnoy <avenj@gentoo.org> wrote: > I've been mostly inactive for a good while but hanging on mostly for > sentimentality's sake, it's past time for that to stop. It's a damn shame to see you go. I guess most of today's devs won't know or appreciate just how much you've done for Gentoo over the years. Best of luck in whatever you're up to next, and if you ever make it over to this side of the pond, I still owe you a beer. All the best, Stu -- PS: Here's hoping Uncle Seemant can talk you out of it :) -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Retirement 2006-11-03 19:15 [gentoo-dev] Retirement Jon Portnoy ` (8 preceding siblings ...) 2006-11-04 22:15 ` Stuart Herbert @ 2006-11-05 16:04 ` Roy Bamford 2006-11-06 17:17 ` Joshua Jackson 2006-11-12 15:26 ` Jason Huebel 11 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Roy Bamford @ 2006-11-05 16:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev On 2006.11.03 19:15, Jon Portnoy wrote: > I've been mostly inactive for a good while but hanging on mostly for > sentimentality's sake, it's past time for that to stop. > [snip] > > Later. It's been fun, it's been real, but it hasn't been real fun. :) > > I'll be around #gentoo/#-dev. > > -- > Jon Portnoy > avenj/irc.freenode.net > -- > gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list > Jon, Bye for now, thanks for all you have done for Gentoo. Good luck for the future. Regards, Roy Bamford (NeddySeagoon) -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Retirement 2006-11-03 19:15 [gentoo-dev] Retirement Jon Portnoy ` (9 preceding siblings ...) 2006-11-05 16:04 ` Roy Bamford @ 2006-11-06 17:17 ` Joshua Jackson 2006-11-12 15:26 ` Jason Huebel 11 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Joshua Jackson @ 2006-11-06 17:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jon Portnoy wrote: > I've been mostly inactive for a good while but hanging on mostly for > sentimentality's sake, it's past time for that to stop. > > I mostly only maintain a small handful of ebuilds, I'm sure they can > find proper homes quickly. None are maintenance-intensive. > > And of course, the only thing anyone is really concerned about; robbat2 > has already laid claim to fortune-mod-gentoo-dev ;) > > Later. It's been fun, it's been real, but it hasn't been real fun. :) > > I'll be around #gentoo/#-dev. > As I was gone for a week I didn't see this til this weekend, via seemant's blog. I was good and didn't reply til today to take that full week off. I'm sad to see you go Jon but know that you will continue to do great things so good luck in whatever you end up getting involved in -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFT24/SENan+PfizARAlwKAJsGIO7aKq5jmYGJp1G+WkidrBBcKACggzZV nc7glXTmCi8Bv5jkT7bbFpE= =/KWb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Retirement 2006-11-03 19:15 [gentoo-dev] Retirement Jon Portnoy ` (10 preceding siblings ...) 2006-11-06 17:17 ` Joshua Jackson @ 2006-11-12 15:26 ` Jason Huebel 11 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Jason Huebel @ 2006-11-12 15:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1037 bytes --] On Friday 03 November 2006 1:15 pm, Jon Portnoy wrote: > I've been mostly inactive for a good while but hanging on mostly for > sentimentality's sake, it's past time for that to stop. > > I mostly only maintain a small handful of ebuilds, I'm sure they can > find proper homes quickly. None are maintenance-intensive. > > And of course, the only thing anyone is really concerned about; robbat2 > has already laid claim to fortune-mod-gentoo-dev ;) > > Later. It's been fun, it's been real, but it hasn't been real fun. :) > > I'll be around #gentoo/#-dev. > > -- > Jon Portnoy > avenj/irc.freenode.net Sorry to see you go Jon. I've appreciated your guidance over the years, particularly when I took on the daunting task of managing Gentoo/amd64 in early 2004. Gentoo feels a little smaller with your departure. -- Jason Huebel Gentoo Developer GPG Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9BA9E230 "Do not weep; do not wax indignant. Understand." Baruch Spinoza (1632 - 1677) [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 189 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* [gentoo-dev] Retirement @ 2008-08-10 22:26 Bo Ørsted Andresen 2008-08-10 22:35 ` Donnie Berkholz 2008-08-11 7:25 ` Steve Long 0 siblings, 2 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Bo Ørsted Andresen @ 2008-08-10 22:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: retirement [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 448 bytes --] My retirement is probably long overdue as I haven't really been active for several months. It is now clear to me that Gentoo is not moving in the direction I had wished for and the last council election indicates that most current Gentoo developers appear to be satisfied with this current direction. Therefore farewell. If anybody wants to reach me I can be reached at bo.andresen at zlin.dk. -- Bo Andresen Former Gentoo KDE Dev [-- Attachment #2: This is a digitally signed message part. --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 197 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Retirement 2008-08-10 22:26 Bo Ørsted Andresen @ 2008-08-10 22:35 ` Donnie Berkholz 2008-08-10 23:18 ` [gentoo-dev] Retirement Nikos Chantziaras 2008-08-11 7:25 ` Steve Long 1 sibling, 1 reply; 27+ messages in thread From: Donnie Berkholz @ 2008-08-10 22:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 704 bytes --] On 00:26 Mon 11 Aug , Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: > My retirement is probably long overdue as I haven't really been active for > several months. It is now clear to me that Gentoo is not moving in the > direction I had wished for and the last council election indicates that most > current Gentoo developers appear to be satisfied with this current direction. > Therefore farewell. If anybody wants to reach me I can be reached at > bo.andresen at zlin.dk. Adios guys, and thanks for all the work you've put into Gentoo while you were here! Best of luck on your future endeavors. -- Thanks, Donnie Donnie Berkholz Developer, Gentoo Linux Blog: http://dberkholz.wordpress.com [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 197 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement 2008-08-10 22:35 ` Donnie Berkholz @ 2008-08-10 23:18 ` Nikos Chantziaras 2008-08-10 23:40 ` Denis Dupeyron 2008-08-11 4:51 ` Alec Warner 0 siblings, 2 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Nikos Chantziaras @ 2008-08-10 23:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev Donnie Berkholz wrote: > On 00:26 Mon 11 Aug , Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: >> My retirement is probably long overdue as I haven't really been active for >> several months. It is now clear to me that Gentoo is not moving in the >> direction I had wished for and the last council election indicates that most >> current Gentoo developers appear to be satisfied with this current direction. >> Therefore farewell. If anybody wants to reach me I can be reached at >> bo.andresen at zlin.dk. > > Adios guys, and thanks for all the work you've put into Gentoo while you > were here! Best of luck on your future endeavors. They always say that stuff but never bother explaining what the direction they wish for actually is. As a user I get the impression that there's some kind of evil Cabal. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement 2008-08-10 23:18 ` [gentoo-dev] Retirement Nikos Chantziaras @ 2008-08-10 23:40 ` Denis Dupeyron 2008-08-11 0:31 ` Duncan 2008-08-11 4:51 ` Alec Warner 1 sibling, 1 reply; 27+ messages in thread From: Denis Dupeyron @ 2008-08-10 23:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@arcor.de> wrote: > They always say that stuff but never bother explaining what the direction > they wish for actually is. As a user I get the impression that there's some > kind of evil Cabal. Most of the Gentoo developer population is made of young males with a natural tendency to overreaction and suboptimal communication skills (and I'm not implying it's the case of the original poster). So, if I were you, I wouldn't bother too much to read in between the lines of these retirement messages. Denis. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement 2008-08-10 23:40 ` Denis Dupeyron @ 2008-08-11 0:31 ` Duncan 0 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Duncan @ 2008-08-11 0:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev "Denis Dupeyron" <calchan@gentoo.org> posted 7c612fc60808101640l31e7f248ybf9eeba60c5faeeb@mail.gmail.com, excerpted below, on Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:40:58 +0200: > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@arcor.de> > wrote: >> They always say that stuff but never bother explaining what the >> direction they wish for actually is. As a user I get the impression >> that there's some kind of evil Cabal. > > Most of the Gentoo developer population is made of young males with a > natural tendency to overreaction and suboptimal communication skills > (and I'm not implying it's the case of the original poster). So, if I > were you, I wouldn't bother too much to read in between the lines of > these retirement messages. That, and by the time it comes to retirement, one has generally been thru the arguments several times already, the people that need to know why in general already do, and there's a feeling it's not worth rehearsing old positions and bringing up old arguments the one last time. The time for that has already passed by the time someone's announcing their retirement, the decision has been made, it's all water under the bridge now (as the saying goes) and it's time to move on, with a clean break, no longer blaming anyone or etc as that's what one does /before/ it gets to this point. So, indeed, I'm a KDE user here, and it's time to wish them well... Thanks guys for all the hard work, the product of which I'm running (still KDE 3.5.9, here) as I type this. Be well, and hope to see you around the community! There's plenty of projects out there that can use your help! =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement 2008-08-10 23:18 ` [gentoo-dev] Retirement Nikos Chantziaras 2008-08-10 23:40 ` Denis Dupeyron @ 2008-08-11 4:51 ` Alec Warner 2008-08-11 5:46 ` Nikos Chantziaras ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Alec Warner @ 2008-08-11 4:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@arcor.de> wrote: > Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> >> On 00:26 Mon 11 Aug , Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: >>> >>> My retirement is probably long overdue as I haven't really been active >>> for several months. It is now clear to me that Gentoo is not moving in the >>> direction I had wished for and the last council election indicates that most >>> current Gentoo developers appear to be satisfied with this current >>> direction. Therefore farewell. If anybody wants to reach me I can be reached >>> at bo.andresen at zlin.dk. >> >> Adios guys, and thanks for all the work you've put into Gentoo while you >> were here! Best of luck on your future endeavors. > > They always say that stuff but never bother explaining what the direction > they wish for actually is. As a user I get the impression that there's some > kind of evil Cabal. Despite our best efforts Gentoo is not a fun-loving community where everyone gets along. If you want to call the fact that the majority of developers want to go in direction 'X' a cabal; then so be it. Many folks are happy at the current pace of development. I imagine these two folks were frustrated at the lack of new features in the ebuild spec that were readily available in kdebuild-1 and decided to move on. More power to them I say. -Alec ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement 2008-08-11 4:51 ` Alec Warner @ 2008-08-11 5:46 ` Nikos Chantziaras 2008-08-11 7:45 ` Ciaran McCreesh 2008-08-11 10:27 ` David Leverton 2 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Nikos Chantziaras @ 2008-08-11 5:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev Alec Warner wrote: > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@arcor.de> wrote: >> Donnie Berkholz wrote: >>> On 00:26 Mon 11 Aug , Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: >>>> My retirement is probably long overdue as I haven't really been active >>>> for several months. It is now clear to me that Gentoo is not moving in the >>>> direction I had wished for and the last council election indicates that most >>>> current Gentoo developers appear to be satisfied with this current >>>> direction. Therefore farewell. If anybody wants to reach me I can be reached >>>> at bo.andresen at zlin.dk. >>> Adios guys, and thanks for all the work you've put into Gentoo while you >>> were here! Best of luck on your future endeavors. >> They always say that stuff but never bother explaining what the direction >> they wish for actually is. As a user I get the impression that there's some >> kind of evil Cabal. > > Despite our best efforts Gentoo is not a fun-loving community where > everyone gets along. > If you want to call the fact that the majority of developers want to > go in direction 'X' a cabal; then so be it. > > Many folks are happy at the current pace of development. I imagine > these two folks were frustrated at the lack > of new features in the ebuild spec that were readily available in > kdebuild-1 and decided to move on. More power to them I say. I must apologize for using the word "Cabal". I don't know the developers who resigned at all, nor do I have any clue about the reasons they departed. Leaving with a "Gentoo is not going in the direction I want" is equivalent to "Gentoo is going in the wrong direction" and makes the resignation sound political. I don't get why anyone would resign because of the ebuild spec, but anyway. Resignations in general don't tend to be too honest. "I'm bored dudes, farewell" would probably be perfectly fine. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement 2008-08-11 4:51 ` Alec Warner 2008-08-11 5:46 ` Nikos Chantziaras @ 2008-08-11 7:45 ` Ciaran McCreesh 2008-08-11 13:19 ` Patrick Lauer 2008-08-11 10:27 ` David Leverton 2 siblings, 1 reply; 27+ messages in thread From: Ciaran McCreesh @ 2008-08-11 7:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 473 bytes --] On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:51:11 -0700 "Alec Warner" <antarus@gentoo.org> wrote: > Despite our best efforts Gentoo is not a fun-loving community where > everyone gets along. Actually, I'd say that's a fairly accurate description of the problem. Some people think Gentoo should primarily be a fun-loving community where everyone gets along, whilst others think Gentoo should primarily be a first-rate distribution delivering a quality product. -- Ciaran McCreesh [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 197 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement 2008-08-11 7:45 ` Ciaran McCreesh @ 2008-08-11 13:19 ` Patrick Lauer 2008-08-11 13:31 ` Anthony Metcalf 2008-08-11 13:34 ` George Prowse 0 siblings, 2 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Patrick Lauer @ 2008-08-11 13:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:51:11 -0700 > "Alec Warner" <antarus@gentoo.org> wrote: > >> Despite our best efforts Gentoo is not a fun-loving community where >> everyone gets along. >> > > Actually, I'd say that's a fairly accurate description of the problem. > Some people think Gentoo should primarily be a fun-loving community > where everyone gets along, whilst others think Gentoo should primarily > be a first-rate distribution delivering a quality product. > You say that as if it is mutually exclusive. I claim that having fun leads to quality products because of motivation and the feedback between people where one challenges the other to do better - I've seen quite a few examples of such interactions in the past, but thanks to depressing monologues by people with too much ego that is becoming more and more rare. Gentoo is supposed to be fun. If it stops being fun only grumpy old men will do the bare minimum to keep things from breaking too badly instead of improving things. Meh. I demand mandatory fun hours twice a week! And a coffee machine. And a pony. Yes! A pony! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement 2008-08-11 13:19 ` Patrick Lauer @ 2008-08-11 13:31 ` Anthony Metcalf 2008-08-12 0:26 ` Duncan 2008-08-11 13:34 ` George Prowse 1 sibling, 1 reply; 27+ messages in thread From: Anthony Metcalf @ 2008-08-11 13:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev Patrick Lauer wrote: > > If it stops being fun only grumpy old men will do the bare minimum to > keep things from breaking too badly instead of improving things. Meh. > I demand mandatory fun hours twice a week! And a coffee machine. And a > pony. Yes! A pony! > > Being bitten by the Pony is not fun. Please keep your ponies away from my tools. Thanks A User. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement 2008-08-11 13:31 ` Anthony Metcalf @ 2008-08-12 0:26 ` Duncan 2008-08-12 16:02 ` Jeroen Roovers 0 siblings, 1 reply; 27+ messages in thread From: Duncan @ 2008-08-12 0:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev Anthony Metcalf <anthony.metcalf@anferny.me.uk> posted 48A03F17.3000707@anferny.me.uk, excerpted below, on Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:31:03 +0100: > Patrick Lauer wrote: >> >> If it stops being fun only grumpy old men will do the bare minimum to >> keep things from breaking too badly instead of improving things. Meh. I >> demand mandatory fun hours twice a week! And a coffee machine. And a >> pony. Yes! A pony! >> >> > Being bitten by the Pony is not fun. Please keep your ponies away from > my tools. Ooo, and being bit by the pony (or for that matter, anything) in the tools is REALLY not fun!! =8^S -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement 2008-08-12 0:26 ` Duncan @ 2008-08-12 16:02 ` Jeroen Roovers 0 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Jeroen Roovers @ 2008-08-12 16:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:26:18 +0000 (UTC) Xxxxxx <xxxxx.xxxxxx@xxx.xxx> wrote: I picked this message as the current last in thread to reply to. Please allow me to express my sincere distaste at the hijacking of this retirement announcement thread for (political) profit and/or fun. To the retirees: best of luck and happiness in your future (current!) endeavours and pity we didn't get along. Kind regards, JeR ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement 2008-08-11 13:19 ` Patrick Lauer 2008-08-11 13:31 ` Anthony Metcalf @ 2008-08-11 13:34 ` George Prowse 1 sibling, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: George Prowse @ 2008-08-11 13:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev On 11 Aug 2008, at 14:19, Patrick Lauer wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:51:11 -0700 >> "Alec Warner" <antarus@gentoo.org> wrote: >> >>> Despite our best efforts Gentoo is not a fun-loving community where >>> everyone gets along. >>> >> >> Actually, I'd say that's a fairly accurate description of the >> problem. >> Some people think Gentoo should primarily be a fun-loving community >> where everyone gets along, whilst others think Gentoo should >> primarily >> be a first-rate distribution delivering a quality product. >> > You say that as if it is mutually exclusive. I claim that having fun > leads to quality products because of motivation and the feedback > between people where one challenges the other to do better - I've > seen quite a few examples of such interactions in the past, but > thanks to depressing monologues by people with too much ego that is > becoming more and more rare. > > Gentoo is supposed to be fun. > > If it stops being fun only grumpy old men will do the bare minimum > to keep things from breaking too badly instead of improving things. > Meh. I demand mandatory fun hours twice a week! And a coffee > machine. And a pony. Yes! A pony! GLEP 57. Coffee machine and Pony Needed. When in need of help, Gentoo needs a knight in shining armour, that usually comes as coffee so to facilitate that we need a coffee machine and a pony. I have just been informed by amne that the pony needs to be pink. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement 2008-08-11 4:51 ` Alec Warner 2008-08-11 5:46 ` Nikos Chantziaras 2008-08-11 7:45 ` Ciaran McCreesh @ 2008-08-11 10:27 ` David Leverton 2 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: David Leverton @ 2008-08-11 10:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev 2008/8/11 Alec Warner <antarus@gentoo.org>: > Many folks are happy at the current pace of development. I imagine > these two folks were frustrated at the lack > of new features in the ebuild spec that were readily available in > kdebuild-1 and decided to move on. More power to them I say. I'm pretty sure that's the least of their worries. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement 2008-08-10 22:26 Bo Ørsted Andresen 2008-08-10 22:35 ` Donnie Berkholz @ 2008-08-11 7:25 ` Steve Long 1 sibling, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Steve Long @ 2008-08-11 7:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: gentoo-dev Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: > My retirement is probably long overdue as I haven't really been active for > several months. It is now clear to me that Gentoo is not moving in the > direction I had wished for and the last council election indicates that > most current Gentoo developers appear to be satisfied with this current > direction. Therefore farewell. If anybody wants to reach me I can be > reached at bo.andresen at zlin.dk. > Sorry to see you go. It's a shame if the technical direction is what you mean, since Gentoo can clearly accomodate different approaches to the same problem (it is source-based after all.) One thing: the door isn't nailed shut, even if new ones are opening ;-) Hope to see you back iow. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2008-08-12 16:02 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 27+ messages (download: mbox.gz / follow: Atom feed) -- links below jump to the message on this page -- 2006-11-03 19:15 [gentoo-dev] Retirement Jon Portnoy 2006-11-03 19:23 ` Wernfried Haas 2006-11-03 19:32 ` Peter Johanson 2006-11-03 19:49 ` Seemant Kulleen 2006-11-03 20:37 ` [gentoo-dev] Retirement Christian Faulhammer 2006-11-03 20:15 ` [gentoo-dev] Retirement Josh Saddler 2006-11-03 20:42 ` Paul de Vrieze 2006-11-03 22:23 ` Donnie Berkholz 2006-11-04 1:20 ` [gentoo-dev] Retirement Duncan 2006-11-04 8:33 ` [gentoo-dev] Retirement Alin Nastac 2006-11-04 22:15 ` Stuart Herbert 2006-11-05 16:04 ` Roy Bamford 2006-11-06 17:17 ` Joshua Jackson 2006-11-12 15:26 ` Jason Huebel 2008-08-10 22:26 Bo Ørsted Andresen 2008-08-10 22:35 ` Donnie Berkholz 2008-08-10 23:18 ` [gentoo-dev] Retirement Nikos Chantziaras 2008-08-10 23:40 ` Denis Dupeyron 2008-08-11 0:31 ` Duncan 2008-08-11 4:51 ` Alec Warner 2008-08-11 5:46 ` Nikos Chantziaras 2008-08-11 7:45 ` Ciaran McCreesh 2008-08-11 13:19 ` Patrick Lauer 2008-08-11 13:31 ` Anthony Metcalf 2008-08-12 0:26 ` Duncan 2008-08-12 16:02 ` Jeroen Roovers 2008-08-11 13:34 ` George Prowse 2008-08-11 10:27 ` David Leverton 2008-08-11 7:25 ` Steve Long
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox