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* Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving default location of portage tree (was: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2018-07-29)
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@ 2018-07-29 19:49 99%                           ` Ulrich Mueller
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From: Ulrich Mueller @ 2018-07-29 19:49 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: anders thomson

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[Proxying a message from Anders Thomson <andersthomson888@gmail.com>]

Hi Ulrich,
As non-devs aren't allowed to post to gentoo-dev, I was hoping that you would
proxy this question/comment for me.

While on the subject of changing defaults, could we consider changing the
(default) location of the pkg db? Roughly everything in /usr (and /(s)bin) is
managed by the package manager, and it would be handy if the db of installed
bits is close to the bits themselves . Keeping it in /var/ makes /var
opinionated on the current set of installed packages and thus another thing to
backup etc of you want "just the os/system stuff, not the applications'
databases". along the same vein, if you want /var to be on another storage
device (NAS/SAN for large databases), you get the OS's pkg db with it. If for
any reason a boot fails to get /var mounted, you're without the pkg db.

Something along the lines of /usr/lib/pkg ?

Best,
/Anders

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 4:31 PM, Ulrich Mueller <ulm@gentoo.org> wrote:

    >>>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2018, Corentin “Nado” Pazdera wrote:
   
    > July 27, 2018 4:07 PM, "William Hubbs" <williamh@gentoo.org> wrote:
   
    >> Section 5.5.2 describes the directory structure of /var/cache.
    >> These paths are all optional [1].
    >>
    >> /var/cache/fonts
    >> /var/cache/man
    >> /var/cache/www
    >> /var/cache/<package>
    >>
    >> Gentoo isn't a package, so I don't think /var/cache/gentoo/* is
    >> appropriate. Here is my proposal:
    >>
    >> /usr/portage -> /var/db/repos/gentoo
    >> /usr/portage/distfiles -> /var/cache/portage/distfiles
    >> /usr/portage/packages -> /var/cache/portage/binpkgs
    >>
    >> I'm not 100% comfortable with /var/db, but I don't have any better
    >> suggestion either.
    >>
    >> [1] http://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_3.0/fhs-3.0.html#varcacheApplicationCacheData
   
    > From the same source
    > "No other requirements are made on the data format of the cache
    > directories."
    > And as you have quoted it, everything under /var/cache is optional.
   
    > So anything which doesn't conflict with another package seems fine
    > according to FHS.
   
    That's how I would read it, too. We could of course invent a package
    name (like "package-manager" for virtual/package-manager) but it seems
    cumbersome, and I don't see any benefit of it.
   
    There also is /var/cache/fonts, so the FHS itself lists an example of
    a directory that's not named after a specific package.
   
    Ulrich

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