* Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role
@ 2006-02-28 14:33 99% ` Jakub Moc
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From: Jakub Moc @ 2006-02-28 14:33 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Stephen P. Becker
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28.2.2006, 15:00:49, Stephen P. Becker wrote:
>> What kind of non-interactivity? What's this universal non-interactivity
>> blurb of yours and ciaranm's about? There's no such thing when it comes to
>> configuration. If you want automated "configuration", then please use
>> Windows and stop moaning. If you don't want to read manpages or at least
>> --help, then please use Windows as well. If you want to use non-default
>> setup, then you need to change default values, that's what common sense
>> dictates at least. And don't use the (non)-interactivity magical formular in
>> a context where it has zero sense.
> No! You are completely missing the point. The non-interactivity of
> which we speak is the idea that when you emerge some package, it is
> perfectly reasonable (and in fact should be required) to expect that
> package to install to your userland with no further prodding. There
> should be no USE collisions which cause the emerge to die. There should
> be no default configuration which will break other packages in the tree
> by default.
> Note that in no way am I talking about auto-configuration, as that would
> be silly. The example problem with webapp-config which I have described
> here forces a user to intervene to get packages to install to the proper
> location. This is not desirable.
Selecting a webserver to use with a webapp package is a part of
configuration. So again, the whole non-interactive idea is irrelevant wrt
webapp-config and non-default setups. No defaults in default config won't
work/won't improve anything either, since some webapps need to have their
config files server-owned. Running a server and webapps is not a no-brainer
which should just automagically work; to the contrary - users should think
about what they are doing or they just should run a server app.
> Basically, I really don't see why webapp-config can't have some logic
> built in which makes it smart enough to figure out which webserver
> somebody is using.
Sure, you can make webapp-config depend on virtual/magic where
RDEPEND="|| ( app-admin/artificial-intelligence app-admin/mind-reader )
and then
emerge lighttpd apache <a couple of servers here> <some random webapps here>
I think it's pretty much obvious that this just won't work since such
virtual doesn't and won't exist.
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2006-02-26 23:48 ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-27 0:34 ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-27 9:00 ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-27 17:08 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27 20:26 ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-27 20:37 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27 20:49 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-27 21:33 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 9:38 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 12:54 ` Stephen P. Becker
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2006-02-28 14:00 ` Stephen P. Becker
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