* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!
@ 2012-03-14 22:39 99% ` Richard Yao
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From: Richard Yao @ 2012-03-14 22:39 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: Greg KH
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On 03/14/12 17:04, Greg KH wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 07:57:52PM +0000, David Leverton wrote:
>> Would anyone else like to continue with their own favourite
>> separate-/usr reason?
>
> Haveing a separate /usr is wonderful, and once we finish moving /sbin/
> and /bin/ into /usr/ it makes even more sense. See the /usr page at
> fedora for all of the great reasons why this is good.
>
> What doesn't make sense is people who do that, refusing to use an initrd
> or initramfs to make the whole thing work properly.
>
> It's as if people want the benefits, yet fail to want to actually use
> the tools required to get those benefits. It makes no sense, and if
> anyone continues to complain, it shows a lack of understanding.
>
> greg k-h
>
Is this that page?
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove
That refers to the systemd website on freedesktop.org.
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge
Reading that, it seems to me that this /usr move was caused by a
systemd-specific decision that rootfs should be both system-specific and
located on the particular system while /usr should be network mountable.
However, I see no argument for why that should be the case.
Thinking about it, I suppose this would make sense in an enterprise
setting where everything is diskless. If you PXE boot, put rootfs on
iSCSI and have /usr on a NFS mount, this would work very well. Claiming
that people show a lack of understanding when you never explain this,
however, is definitely the wrong thing to do.
With that said, I have a few questions:
1. Why does no one mention the enterprise use case at all?
2. Why not make rootfs a NFS mount with a unionfs at the SAN/NAS device?
3. Why not let the users choose where these directories go and support
both locations?
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2012-03-14 15:04 ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 15:08 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-03-14 15:22 ` Greg KH
2012-03-14 17:11 ` Maxim Kammerer
2012-03-14 17:29 ` Zac Medico
2012-03-14 17:58 ` Matthew Summers
2012-03-14 18:36 ` Maxim Kammerer
2012-03-14 18:56 ` Zac Medico
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2012-03-14 21:04 ` Greg KH
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