From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3389 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 14:33:04 +0000 Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (156.56.111.197) by lists.gentoo.org with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 28 Sep 2004 14:33:04 +0000 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([156.56.111.196] helo=parrot.gentoo.org) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CCJ2N-0007pC-OT for arch-gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:33:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 9453 invoked by uid 89); 28 Sep 2004 14:33:03 +0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 11726 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2004 14:33:02 +0000 Message-ID: <9f279016040928073236095963@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 06:32:59 -0800 From: Allen Parker Reply-To: Allen Parker To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41586F16.5020409@gentoo.org> <200409272020.58709.luke-jr@utopios.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: removing dhcpcd from system??? X-Archives-Salt: 49122377-6009-4be9-9d85-e642976f81fb X-Archives-Hash: bfa0cb911419c30d6558f55449f76475 On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:41:30 -0700, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: > Luke-Jr posted <200409272020.58709.luke-jr@utopios.org>, excerpted below, > on Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:20:55 +0000: > > > > > On Monday 27 September 2004 7:50 pm, Travis Tilley wrote: > >> wtf crack monkey voted to remove dhcpcd from the system profile? i > >> dunno about you guys, but i like actually being able to connect to the > >> internet. it's as essential as ifconfig. > >> > >> since i'd like to at least have a usable system of some kind, i've > >> re-added dhcpcd to the amd64 2004.3 profile. please do me a favor and > >> do NOT remove it again. > > I didn't do it, but dhcpcd sure isn't essential to get an internet > > connection. I've heard of various other methods such as setting a static > > IP, PPPoE, PPP/dialup, pump (BOOTP/DHCP client), etc... IMO, removing it > > was a good idea. > > No kidding. I'm on amd64 here, and don't need nor want dhcp-anything. It > doesn't belong in the default profile, any more than NetBIOS over TCP/IP > belongs in the MS default profile. If it's not needed, as it isn't for > many folks, it shouldn't be installed, for security reasons. If you think that removing dhcpcd pisses *you* off... perhaps you can explain why there aren't any ftp/http clients on the livecds? *someone* thought it would be a good idea... hence... i've been "cooking" my own livecds with actual useful stuff on them... ncftp, elinks, NO dhcpcd, automatic network configs that conform to *MY* networks 10.0.x.x vs 192.168.x.x with default nameservers/gateways already active... in regards to *your* configurations, travis, just wondering, are you building dedicated machines with static public ips? (i've done it over ssh... thanks ovh.net!) Rarely, if ever, do I personally have a machine that *requires* dhcp to install/setup/etc... and if i do... "emerge dhcpcd" seems to work alright for me, y'know? I'm currently managing about 4 machines (I know, not that many) that have dhcpcd installed on them because I don't have the time to go fuck with the default profiles and *REMOVE* it, despite these particular machines having static PUBLIC ips.. *your* particular dependance on dhcpcd shouldn't be the subject of public debate. *your* particular dependance on dhcpcd should be handled by you, on *your* personal machine by simply emerging dhcpcd along with *your* choice of bootloader, *your* choice of system logger and *your* choice of cron daemon. this is the beauty of gentoo... please, leave *your* personal preferences out of *your* decision making process when it effects *your* users. this isn't a flame... only a request for sanity. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list