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* [gentoo-dev] Goodbye
@ 2008-05-13  6:33 Alon Bar-Lev
  2008-05-13  7:33 ` Cédric Krier
                   ` (3 more replies)
  0 siblings, 4 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Alon Bar-Lev @ 2008-05-13  6:33 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev, gentoo-core

Hello,

I guess I am tired of fighting with people here. I am too old for this crap.

There are few brutal developers here that make Gentoo a terrible place
to be. Well... I can handle few developers, but when devrel enters the
picture with arguments such as "volunteers can do crappy job as long
as they have fun" enough is enough.

I signed-up to work on distribution if I have fun in the process it is
great! But always keep in mind the delivery I provide to users.

Gentoo has some fundamental issues, the obvious one is lack of
leadership. There is *NOBODY* that formally responsible or cares about
the delivery Gentoo (AS A WHOLE) provide to its users. The council is
just a political body that discuss the void issues.

As a result the laud and brutal developers dictate the tune. With no
proper mechanism to decide if a decision that was taken aligns with
Gentoo goals.

The devrel process is ridiculous, as proxy between developers without
ability to determine anything does not help anyone.

During the short time I was around Gentoo lost some of the best
developers that were around, due to similar reasons.

If Gentoo community cannot provide its own goals, at least it should
embrace standards. Compliant to standards may resolve many conflicts.
Roy worked hard to make Gentoo POSIX shell compliant, but this was not
accepted, but imagine fully Gentoo work with busybox based system,
isn't this an advantage we have? especially on small systems. I
appreciate flameeyes work on reducing the system size, I am aware how
hard it is. There are new violations of HFS in Gentoo, but nobody
cares.

Jacub, one of the best developers around that actually cared about the
service we provide to our users was suspended while trying to do so,
and now he is not active anymore.

There are some more examples... The brutal developers remain, the quiet leave.

Gentoo is built on a lot of inexperienced students, but the backbone
of core developers with real-life experience is very weak. I think
that current approach of the developers community will not able to
resolve this, as a result Gentoo community will not mature.

Gentoo has a great piece of technology (portage), this is unique and
with the right leadership may be the tool to make Gentoo more stable
and popular, as a result extending the user community and gain more
resources. But leadership derives goals, goals derive complaint,
complaint derives means of enforcement. None of these currently
available in the community.

Personal note on leadership: vapier - you are good, so good that many
envy you. But this does not give you the right to not being nice. You
are on of the few people here that can take at least partially resolve
the leadership issue. With a little patience and care. (Just to make
it clear: I am not leaving because of vapier).

Packages to reassign:

mobile:
dev-libs/libx86
sys-power/suspend
sys-power/hibernate-script

antivirus
./sys-fs/dazuko

misc:
net-misc/openvpn
media-sound/mp3unicode

I am available at email:alon.barlev@gmail.com

Have fun,
Alon.
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* [gentoo-dev] Goodbye
@ 2003-08-25 21:01 FRLinux
  2003-08-26  8:15 ` Philippe Lafoucrière
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: FRLinux @ 2003-08-25 21:01 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev ML; +Cc: gentoo-doc ML, gentoo-user-fr ML

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Hello all,

It is one of those emails about a departure from an interesting project.
The main difference is that i usually read and don't write them ;) So
you've understood i am leaving the Gentoo project for good. It has been
quite nice to work for a year and a half on the translations in Moliere
's language but the time has come for me to focus on other areas.

I wish you all the best, still in a free world. 
Steph (aka FRLinux)
-- 
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* RE: [gentoo-dev] goodbye
@ 2002-04-14  0:38 Wayne Vovil
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Wayne Vovil @ 2002-04-14  0:38 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

I don't know what has caused this; but maybe two people could get together any resolve differences. It is the way the world should work; but in the end if this is not possible, I wish both of you good luck, and thanks must go to anyone who contributes the fruits of their labour to Open Source, which is a gift to all.

cheers

Wayne
Perth, Western Australia

> Geert Bevin <gbevin@uwyn.com> gentoo-dev@gentoo.org [gentoo-dev] goodbyeReply-To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
>Date: 13 Apr 2002 08:36:07 +0200
>
>Hi all,
>
>this litte note to notify you all that I'm leaving Gentoo as a
>developer. I'm unable to continue to work with Daniel and I feel being
>tossed around, disrepected and undervalued.
>
>I hope you guys do well and prosper. I'll be doing my own projects
>again.
>
>Take care and best regards,
>
>Geert.
>
>-- 
>Geert Bevin             Uwyn
>"Use what you need"     Lambermontlaan 148
>http://www.uwyn.com     1030 Brussels
>gbevin@uwyn.com         Tel & Fax +32 2 245 41 06
>
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* [gentoo-dev] goodbye
@ 2002-04-13  6:36 Geert Bevin
  2002-04-13  6:40 ` Preston A. Elder
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Geert Bevin @ 2002-04-13  6:36 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

Hi all,

this litte note to notify you all that I'm leaving Gentoo as a
developer. I'm unable to continue to work with Daniel and I feel being
tossed around, disrepected and undervalued.

I hope you guys do well and prosper. I'll be doing my own projects
again.

Take care and best regards,

Geert.

-- 
Geert Bevin             Uwyn
"Use what you need"     Lambermontlaan 148
http://www.uwyn.com     1030 Brussels
gbevin@uwyn.com         Tel & Fax +32 2 245 41 06



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