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Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Idea for a new project: gentoo-libs
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From: "M. J. Everitt" <m.j.everitt@iee.org>
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Idea for a new project: gentoo-libs
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On 05/08/18 18:01, Alec Warner wrote [excerpted]:
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 12:45 PM, Richard Yao <ryao@gentoo.org
> <mailto:ryao@gentoo.org>> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Jun 23, 2018, at 6:59 AM, Alec Warner <antarus@gentoo.org
> <mailto:antarus@gentoo.org>> wrote:
>
>>
>> I suspect this might be better done in the Linux foundation
>> itself as they have staffing for core components that everyone is
>> using.
> This would put decision making power into the hands of
> bureaucrats. I would rather it remain in a community of volunteers.=
>
>
> Meh, it doesn't hurt to ask there about interest (they certainly fund
> development of other components.) Its not like they have to accept, or
> that declining somehow inhibits this development.
>
> Part of my frustration is that seemingly "anything open source related
> can be held in Gentoo" and I'm somewhat against that as I feel it
> dilutes the Gentoo mission. We are here to make a distribution, not
> maintain random libraries. If you want to do that feel free; but I
> don't see a need for that work to be associated with Gentoo.
> =C2=A0
Maintaining a distro is increasingly becoming more a case of fixing
upstream's shortcomings, as they move towards completely-bundled
packages instead of thorough testing. Creating distribution packages,
especially in a source-based distro like Gentoo, requires quite a lot of
testing, and a lot of collating user feedback (in terms of bugs) to make
sure that the packages built do actually *work*.
So no, whilst it does seem on the surface to be a dilution of effort, if
it reduces the overall effort to generate robust packages, and
distributes it across multiple distros and developers, whilst
co-ordination and communication may prove a new challenge, I think this
is complementary to what everyone is trying to achieve.
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On 05/08/18 18:01, Alec Warner wrote [excerpted]:<br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 12:45 PM,
Richard Yao <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a
href=3D"mailto:ryao@gentoo.org" target=3D"_blank"
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">ryao@gentoo.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"auto">
<div>
<div class=3D"h5">
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
On Jun 23, 2018, at 6:59 AM, Alec Warner <<a
href=3D"mailto:antarus@gentoo.org" target=3D"_bla=
nk"
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">antarus@gentoo.org</a>&g=
t;
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">I suspect this might=
be better done in the Linux foundation
itself as they have staffing for core
components that everyone is using.</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
This would put decision making power into the hands of
bureaucrats. I would rather it remain in a community of
volunteers.</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Meh, it doesn't hurt to ask there about interest (they
certainly fund development of other components.) Its not
like they have to accept, or that declining somehow
inhibits this development.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Part of my frustration is that seemingly "anything open
source related can be held in Gentoo" and I'm somewhat
against that as I feel it dilutes the Gentoo mission. We
are here to make a distribution, not maintain random
libraries. If you want to do that feel free; but I don't
see a need for that work to be associated with Gentoo.</div=
>
<div>=C2=A0<br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
Maintaining a distro is increasingly becoming more a case of fixing
upstream's shortcomings, as they move towards completely-bundled
packages instead of thorough testing. Creating distribution
packages, especially in a source-based distro like Gentoo, requires
quite a lot of testing, and a lot of collating user feedback (in
terms of bugs) to make sure that the packages built do actually
*work*.<br>
<br>
So no, whilst it does seem on the surface to be a dilution of
effort, if it reduces the overall effort to generate robust
packages, and distributes it across multiple distros and developers,
whilst co-ordination and communication may prove a new challenge, I
think this is complementary to what everyone is trying to achieve.<br=
>
<br>
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