Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Last rites: dev-build/bazel, sci-libs/keras, sci-libs/tensorflow, sci-libs/tensorflow-estimator, sci-visualization/tensorboard

[David Seifert <soap@gentoo.org>]

On Thu, 2024-01-18 at 14:33 +0100, Maciej Barć wrote:
> A lot of Bazel bugs were just left to rot, even though they are
> invalid.
> There are work from users to get Bazel to a reasonable state, see:
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/918703 (plus comment #1)
> 
> > # Unmasking this requires a sign-off from QA and treecleaners, since
> > # these packages require a ton of mental bandwidth to keep up to
> > date
> 
> I would urge to reconsider leaving Bazel out of this; I do not think 
> that one is lost for now. Since I sometimes use Bazel myself, I will 
> work on adding a bazel-bin + virtual.
> 

Then fix the bugs that are open right now (and keep it masked), since I
don't believe Bazel is much better than the rest. Once the overwhelming
majority of bugs are fixed, we can see again.

That said, given how brittle all of this stuff is and how little Google
cares about FOSS users, I don't believe this to be sustainable path
forward.

> I will NOT however use/support Bazel for Gentoo packages nor eclasses.
> 
> On 18.01.2024 13:53, David Seifert wrote:
> > # David Seifert <soap@gentoo.org> (2024-01-18)
> > # Unmaintained set of packages. Overall, TensorFlow is ill-suited
> > for
> > # distro packaging, since it's entangled with tons of googleware and
> > # continually breaks on minor dependency updates coupled with a
> > # byzantine build system. These 5 packages together have a total of
> > # 54 bugs reported against them, with zero activity from the
> > maintainer.
> > #
> > # Unmasking this requires a sign-off from QA and treecleaners, since
> > # these packages require a ton of mental bandwidth to keep up to
> > date
> > # and Google's general unwillingness to take community input quickly
> > # leads to maintainer burnout.
> > # Use sci-libs/pytorch as a modern alternative with better
> > packaging.
> > # Removal on 2024-02-17. Bug #922374
> > dev-build/bazel
> > sci-libs/keras
> > sci-libs/tensorflow
> > sci-libs/tensorflow-estimator
> > sci-visualization/tensorboard
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Have a great day!
> 
> ~ Maciej XGQT Barć
> 
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