[gentoo-dev] Grub with nice graphics

[gentoo-dev] Grub with nice graphics

[Mikael Hallendal]

Hi!

As Desktop Team Leader I guess I should try to make Gentoo look nice
too. Therefor I thought that we should have some nice graphics when
showing the grub menu at boot time.

So it's now in the portage (grub-0.90).

To make use of it (with a nice background created by drobbins) follow
these instructions (works on both of my computers anyway):

1) Update you portage-tree.

2) Emerge sys-apps/grub/grub-0.90.ebuild

3) Unmerge old grub package.

4) Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst: 
   (you might have to copy it from /boot/boot/grub).

  4.1) Add (before first title):
       splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz
       where hd0,0 should be where you have your root.

5) Run grub
   Where you'll get something like this:
    (again, switch hd0,0 to whatever works on your system)

> root (hd0,0)
  Filesystem type...
> setup (hd0)
  Checking ...

Next step in the make gentoo nice at desktop is some nice graphics for
gdm login and perhaps a set of gentoo backgrounds which could be used in
X. gentoo-backgrounds-0.1 perhaps? :)

Regards and good luck,
  Mikael Hallendal

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Mikael Hallendal
Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop Team Leader
Stockholm, Sweden

Re: [gentoo-dev] Grub with nice graphics

[Karl Trygve Kalleberg]

On a related note, we really want a nice setup for our 
window managers, login handlers, etc.

We should perhaps setup a nice Gentoo theme for GNOME, KDE, etc
as they are installed. 

Alternatively, at least make a kde-gentoo-theme package. 

Ooh, and we want a nice setup program for Gentoo.

Ooh, and a nice installer

Ooh, and a the docs on the web should be integrated in a nice
and easily accessible help system available on the desktop.

Ooh, and a graphical package management program.

Ooh, and much more time for all the developers to work on Gentoo

Ooh, and world peace.


Can you fix this sometime during this week, Hallski ? 


Regards,

Karl T

Re: [gentoo-dev] Grub with nice graphics

[Mikael Hallendal]

Den 23 Aug 2001 00:25:58 +0200 skrev Karl Trygve Kalleberg:
> On a related note, we really want a nice setup for our 
> window managers, login handlers, etc.

About nice setup yes. I'm trying to make gdm as nice as possible and
leave the kdm-stuff to danamark or Achim.

> We should perhaps setup a nice Gentoo theme for GNOME, KDE, etc
> as they are installed. 

At least GNOME and KDE. This doesn't have to be much, I think a set of
nice gentoo backgrounds and some graphics for the login dialog (ie
gdm/kdm) does it. Of couse it would be cool to have our own Nautilus
(whatever in KDE) theme with nice gentoo-specific icons and such. But I
don't really see the point in wasting time on this.

> Can you fix this sometime during this week, Hallski ? 

I'm not good at graphics so I suggests that those that are and want to
contribute (or contribute more) to Gentoo should do nice graphics and
put on some webserver and send url's to the list.

I'll make sure that the graphics gets in on appropriate places in the
GNOME setups and I guess danamark will handle the KDE-stuff.

Regards,
  Mikael Hallendal

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Grub with nice graphics

[Taras]

On 23 Aug 2001 00:25:58 +0200, Karl Trygve Kalleberg wrote:
> On a related note, we really want a nice setup for our 
> window managers, login handlers, etc.
> 
> We should perhaps setup a nice Gentoo theme for GNOME, KDE, etc
> as they are installed. 
> 
> Alternatively, at least make a kde-gentoo-theme package. 
> 
> Ooh, and we want a nice setup program for Gentoo.
> 
> Ooh, and a nice installer
> 
> Ooh, and a the docs on the web should be integrated in a nice
> and easily accessible help system available on the desktop.
> 
> Ooh, and a graphical package management program.
> 
> Ooh, and much more time for all the developers to work on Gentoo
> 
> Ooh, and world peace.
I think the biggest improvement to gui stuff in gentoo would be
borrowing debian's menu systems. They got a unified menu system for all
managers included in debian. I think almost every x app has an entry
there. Mandrake and Connectiva already borrowed it, it would be nice if
gentoo would too.
> 
> 
> Can you fix this sometime during this week, Hallski ? 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Karl T
> 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Grub with nice graphics

[Mikael Hallendal]

Den 22 Aug 2001 22:44:01 -0700 skrev Taras:

> I think the biggest improvement to gui stuff in gentoo would be
> borrowing debian's menu systems. They got a unified menu system for all
> managers included in debian. I think almost every x app has an entry
> there. Mandrake and Connectiva already borrowed it, it would be nice if
> gentoo would too.

Yes, this is in the TODO-system already! But this isn't something that
you solve very quickly and I think (without having looked at it) that
this will add extra maintainance-cost (which we today can't afford).

But again, this is without having looked at it.

Regards,
  Mikael Hallendal

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Mikael Hallendal
Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop Team Leader
Stockholm, Sweden

Re: [gentoo-dev] Grub with nice graphics

[Daniel Robbins]

On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 10:44:01PM -0700, Taras wrote:

> I think the biggest improvement to gui stuff in gentoo would be
> borrowing debian's menu systems. They got a unified menu system for all
> managers included in debian. I think almost every x app has an entry
> there. Mandrake and Connectiva already borrowed it, it would be nice if
> gentoo would too.

I think we can add debian's or our own version of this menu system feature
before 1.0.  I don't think it needs to be that hard.  We just need a central
"app registry" system.

Best Regards,

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Daniel Robbins					<drobbins@gentoo.org>
Chief Architect/President			http://www.gentoo.org 
Gentoo Technologies, Inc.			

AW: [gentoo-dev] Grub with nice graphics

[Sebastian Werner]

I like if the menus sored as xml... we can convert this to all other formats
easily it think

Sebastian

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On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 10:44:01PM -0700, Taras wrote:

> I think the biggest improvement to gui stuff in gentoo would be
> borrowing debian's menu systems. They got a unified menu system for all
> managers included in debian. I think almost every x app has an entry
> there. Mandrake and Connectiva already borrowed it, it would be nice if
> gentoo would too.

I think we can add debian's or our own version of this menu system feature
before 1.0.  I don't think it needs to be that hard.  We just need a central
"app registry" system.

Best Regards,

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Chief Architect/President			http://www.gentoo.org
Gentoo Technologies, Inc.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Grub with nice graphics

[Mikael Hallendal]

Den 23 Aug 2001 11:37:35 -0600 skrev Daniel Robbins:
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 10:44:01PM -0700, Taras wrote:
> 
> > I think the biggest improvement to gui stuff in gentoo would be
> > borrowing debian's menu systems. They got a unified menu system for all
> > managers included in debian. I think almost every x app has an entry
> > there. Mandrake and Connectiva already borrowed it, it would be nice if
> > gentoo would too.
> 
> I think we can add debian's or our own version of this menu system feature
> before 1.0.  I don't think it needs to be that hard.  We just need a central
> "app registry" system.

Hi!

I was more thinking of the fact that we would have to write menu
control-files (or what they would be called) for every app we have that
would make sence being put in a menu.

Also we have to figure out how we would do this in the best way, I'm
personally not a fan of Debians "Debian"-menu that show up under every
category. I think that many users might find it confusing to have
something like:

Mainmenu
       Apps
       ...
       Graphics
       Internet
       ...
       Debian
             Apps
             ...
             Graphics
             Internet
             ...

With all apps showing up in the Debian submenu and only the GNOME (for
example) apps showing up in the first categories.

Regards,
  Mikael Hallendal


> Best Regards,
> 
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> Chief Architect/President			http://www.gentoo.org 
> Gentoo Technologies, Inc.			
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Grub with nice graphics

[Taras]

On 23 Aug 2001 22:48:45 +0000, Mikael Hallendal wrote:
> Den 23 Aug 2001 11:37:35 -0600 skrev Daniel Robbins:
> > On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 10:44:01PM -0700, Taras wrote:
> > 
> > > I think the biggest improvement to gui stuff in gentoo would be
> > > borrowing debian's menu systems. They got a unified menu system for all
> > > managers included in debian. I think almost every x app has an entry
> > > there. Mandrake and Connectiva already borrowed it, it would be nice if
> > > gentoo would too.
> > 
> > I think we can add debian's or our own version of this menu system feature
> > before 1.0.  I don't think it needs to be that hard.  We just need a central
> > "app registry" system.
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I was more thinking of the fact that we would have to write menu
> control-files (or what they would be called) for every app we have that
> would make sence being put in a menu.
> 
> Also we have to figure out how we would do this in the best way, I'm
> personally not a fan of Debians "Debian"-menu that show up under every
> category. I think that many users might find it confusing to have
> something like:
> 
> Mainmenu
>        Apps
>        ...
>        Graphics
>        Internet
>        ...
>        Debian
>              Apps
>              ...
>              Graphics
>              Internet
>              ...
> 
> With all apps showing up in the Debian submenu and only the GNOME (for
> example) apps showing up in the first categories.
I don't think apps should show up in 2 categories. IMHO
GNOME/KDE/Whatever should all be categorized regarding their
functionality, not environment.

> 
> Regards,
>   Mikael Hallendal
> 
> 
> > Best Regards,
> > 
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> Stockholm, Sweden             Cell: +46 (0)709 718 918
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Grub with nice graphics

[Mikael Hallendal]

Den 23 Aug 2001 14:03:36 -0700 skrev Taras:

> > Mainmenu
> >        Apps
> >        ...
> >        Graphics
> >        Internet
> >        ...
> >        Debian
> >              Apps
> >              ...
> >              Graphics
> >              Internet
> >              ...
> > 
> > With all apps showing up in the Debian submenu and only the GNOME (for
> > example) apps showing up in the first categories.
> I don't think apps should show up in 2 categories. IMHO
> GNOME/KDE/Whatever should all be categorized regarding their
> functionality, not environment.

GNOME- and KDE-apps are all ready categorized (they are in the
categories directly under the Mainmenu).

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Mikael Hallendal
Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop Team Leader
Stockholm, Sweden

Re: [gentoo-dev] Grub with nice graphics

[Daniel Robbins]

On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 10:48:45PM +0000, Mikael Hallendal wrote:

> I was more thinking of the fact that we would have to write menu
> control-files (or what they would be called) for every app we have that
> would make sence being put in a menu.
> 
> Also we have to figure out how we would do this in the best way, I'm
> personally not a fan of Debians "Debian"-menu that show up under every
> category. I think that many users might find it confusing to have
> something like:
> 
> Mainmenu
>        Apps
>        ...
>        Graphics
>        Internet
>        ...
>        Debian
>              Apps
>              ...

My plan is to simply create an application registry, and then leave it up to
the Gentoo GNOME/KDE maintainers to tap into this information and integrate
these programs into the proper menus.  I want to make the system as generic and
as flexible as possible so that we don't have to settle for a "Debian" menu.

Best Regards,

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Chief Architect/President			http://www.gentoo.org 
Gentoo Technologies, Inc.			

Re: [gentoo-dev] Grub with nice graphics

[Dan Armak]

> My plan is to simply create an application registry, and then leave it up
> to the Gentoo GNOME/KDE maintainers to tap into this information and
> integrate these programs into the proper menus.  I want to make the system
> as generic and as flexible as possible so that we don't have to settle for
> a "Debian" menu.

Current systems are like our current package category classification system. 
Can you think of a menu system based on your new keyword ideas? Now that 
would be interesting - any nearly automatic for the maintainers, once we have 
keywords working.

-- 

Dan Armak
Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop Team
Matan, Israel

Re: [gentoo-dev] Grub with nice graphics

[Thomas M. Beaudry]

On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 10:25:54PM +0000, Mikael Hallendal wrote:
> 
> Next step in the make gentoo nice at desktop is some nice graphics for
> gdm login and perhaps a set of gentoo backgrounds which could be used in
> X. gentoo-backgrounds-0.1 perhaps? :)
>

Just as long as its optional.  I hated Mandrake's theme.  I know there
were others that wished Mandrake had made it optional as well.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Grub with nice graphics

[Mikael Hallendal]

Den 22 Aug 2001 18:57:50 -0400 skrev Thomas M. Beaudry:

> Just as long as its optional.  I hated Mandrake's theme.  I know there
> were others that wished Mandrake had made it optional as well.

Off course it will be optional. The backgrounds would go into it's own
package which you don't have to install. And about login-graphics I'm
talking about default here. Easily changed to what you like if you are
not satisfied with the gentoo version.

Regards,
  Mikael Hallendal

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Mikael Hallendal
Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop Team Leader
Stockholm, Sweden

Re: [gentoo-dev] Grub with nice graphics

[Terje Kvernes]

Mikael Hallendal <hallski@gentoo.org> writes:

> Off course it will be optional. The backgrounds would go into it's
> own package which you don't have to install. And about
> login-graphics I'm talking about default here. Easily changed to
> what you like if you are not satisfied with the gentoo version.

  one of the things I have to say I love about Ximian Gnome. it's just
  plain _eyecandy_ to log into. :)

-- 
Terje

Re: [gentoo-dev] Grub with nice graphics

[Parag Mehta]

Hi Mikael!

* Mikael Hallendal assembled some ascibets to say:
Mikael >So it's now in the portage (grub-0.90).
Mikael >
Mikael >To make use of it (with a nice background created by drobbins) follow
Mikael >these instructions (works on both of my computers anyway):
Mikael >
Mikael >1) Update you portage-tree.

mike.. most important fo rmany of them will be to first mount their /boot partition. cause as part fo rc5 we do not mount /boot automagically.

Best Regards,

pm
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Grub with nice graphics

[Mikael Hallendal]

Den 22 Aug 2001 23:03:48 -0600 skrev Parag Mehta:

> mike.. most important fo rmany of them will be to first mount their /boot partition. cause as part fo rc5 we do not mount /boot automagically.

Damn, sorry about that! Yes off course (it's just me that's lame enough
to have the /boot on the same partition as / )

Thanks for pointing this out,
  Mikael Hallendal

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Mikael Hallendal
Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop Team Leader
Stockholm, Sweden

Re: [gentoo-dev] Grub with nice graphics

[Djamil ESSAISSI]

And the world peace , when ??


On 22 Aug 2001 22:25:54 +0000
Mikael Hallendal <hallski@gentoo.org> wrote:

:-)Hi!
:-)
:-)As Desktop Team Leader I guess I should try to make Gentoo look nice
:-)too. Therefor I thought that we should have some nice graphics when
:-)showing the grub menu at boot time.
:-)
:-)So it's now in the portage (grub-0.90).
:-)
:-)To make use of it (with a nice background created by drobbins) follow
:-)these instructions (works on both of my computers anyway):
:-)
:-)1) Update you portage-tree.
:-)
:-)2) Emerge sys-apps/grub/grub-0.90.ebuild
:-)
:-)3) Unmerge old grub package.
:-)
:-)4) Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst: 
:-)   (you might have to copy it from /boot/boot/grub).
:-)
:-)  4.1) Add (before first title):
:-)       splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz
:-)       where hd0,0 should be where you have your root.
:-)
:-)5) Run grub
:-)   Where you'll get something like this:
:-)    (again, switch hd0,0 to whatever works on your system)
:-)
:-)> root (hd0,0)
:-)  Filesystem type...
:-)> setup (hd0)
:-)  Checking ...
:-)
:-)Next step in the make gentoo nice at desktop is some nice graphics for
:-)gdm login and perhaps a set of gentoo backgrounds which could be used
:-)in
:-)X. gentoo-backgrounds-0.1 perhaps? :)
:-)
:-)Regards and good luck,
:-)  Mikael Hallendal
:-)
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:-)Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop Team Leader
:-)Stockholm, Sweden
:-)
:-)
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