From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 049EF158041 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2024 07:10:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F740E29D8; Fri, 8 Mar 2024 07:09:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nas1.srvdr.com (nas1.srvdr.com [51.178.68.2]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21791E29D2 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2024 07:09:54 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=inode64.com ; s=nas1; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:From: References:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=6dKWmpsj4Z9nPZhHk6fgwoqNT0btGsNGz2MpaBlXRyc=; b=IdnexLXuOI5HjII2Yqs3+kJ5cA IBkYPN8Q+vjm9CsQ4hDTw/uZQwdtigGX3ez6siTZxX2wfqZwfp5ywIybn7/LQUusJvcR4r+yduZnD +Hl0nciisiasx6LSMirmeTTP5GiTJRNp8ZUTD+iGJogsuCTbvR3rjmU82CckzgtZVL92yvF4xVbbr yHl5fplaNMjChy2lJ2srltXLj5RJlZvwynyBo03zKGwJLQ4tYXiHugtLsfZuhawhNVwEGooYYWfhY bnb8vaDSQ6G7Ahy3s/h1ZTESdSuMbXuQKQebq//qM0OBC5eFO0t6HxVBVol8XaRuyx6wHqxln3xrn 9I3qRjeQ==; Received: from [172.31.16.7] (port=39022 helo=kvm9.srvdr.com) by nas1.srvdr.com with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1riUMa-00CBXQ-VH for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 08 Mar 2024 08:09:53 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=inode64.com ; s=kvm9; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:From: References:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=6dKWmpsj4Z9nPZhHk6fgwoqNT0btGsNGz2MpaBlXRyc=; b=ExWv60TxMy1dmHNT72vCmngaR0 SNl0zFNp2UjzedJfZfGVba0Oa7mCrNnMXaHFqAO/R3sqQBOIVTwSrOYMUUyWReATnFJ93j2yx+X02 +ss2Mshh5eEf+KbugNeMF0rf4UCdE0v2gHSeEVBnjfyr9U5NTug+3UlTsvvtP0lfnt5s=; Received: from [62.43.112.16] (port=39918 helo=[192.168.1.66]) by kvm9.srvdr.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1riUMa-00F1CN-DW for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 08 Mar 2024 08:09:52 +0100 Message-ID: <98a74c28-c8ae-43ec-b5e5-6a7ac5ac0d46@inode64.com> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 08:09:51 +0100 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: banning "AI"-backed (LLM/GPT/whatever) contributions to Gentoo Content-Language: es-ES To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: From: "Fco. Javier Felix Belmonte" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 9ac45335-2b62-4667-9c31-0889f1b912a3 X-Archives-Hash: 15ad75300e6bfd2d294bb8c893620ea1 El 27/2/24 a las 15:45, Michał Górny escribió: > Hello, > > Given the recent spread of the "AI" bubble, I think we really need to > look into formally addressing the related concerns. In my opinion, > at this point the only reasonable course of action would be to safely > ban "AI"-backed contribution entirely. In other words, explicitly > forbid people from using ChatGPT, Bard, GitHub Copilot, and so on, to > create ebuilds, code, documentation, messages, bug reports and so on for > use in Gentoo. > > Just to be clear, I'm talking about our "original" content. We can't do > much about upstream projects using it. > I think it would be a big mistake, because in the end we are not shooting in the foot (I use translate, it doesn't mean the same thing in English anyway) In the end it is a helping tool and in the end there is always human intervention to finish the job. In the end we are going to have to live with AIs in all the environments of our lives. The sooner we know how to manage them, the more productive we will be. > Rationale: > > 1. Copyright concerns. At this point, the copyright situation around > generated content is still unclear. What's pretty clear is that pretty > much all LLMs are trained on huge corpora of copyrighted material, and > all fancy "AI" companies don't give shit about copyright violations. > In particular, there's a good risk that these tools would yield stuff we > can't legally use. > > 2. Quality concerns. LLMs are really great at generating plausibly > looking bullshit. I suppose they can provide good assistance if you are > careful enough, but we can't really rely on all our contributors being > aware of the risks. > > 3. Ethical concerns. As pointed out above, the "AI" corporations don't > give shit about copyright, and don't give shit about people. The AI > bubble is causing huge energy waste. It is giving a great excuse for > layoffs and increasing exploitation of IT workers. It is driving > enshittification of the Internet, it is empowering all kinds of spam > and scam. > > > Gentoo has always stood out as something different, something that > worked for people for whom mainstream distros were lacking. I think > adding "made by real people" to the list of our advantages would be > a good thing — but we need to have policies in place, to make sure shit > doesn't flow in. > > Compare with the shitstorm at: > https://github.com/pkgxdev/pantry/issues/5358 >