From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MmvJB-000193-AY for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:04:25 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AD5FE0A02; Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:04:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from IMPaqm2.telefonica.net (impaqm2.telefonica.net [213.4.129.22]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF7CE0A02 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:04:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from IMPmailhost6.adm.correo ([10.20.102.127]) by IMPaqm2.telefonica.net with bizsmtp id gJ0r1c05J2kvMAa3ML4NiU; Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:04:22 +0200 Received: from jesgue.homelinux.org ([78.136.66.163]) by IMPmailhost6.adm.correo with BIZ IMP id gL441c00K3XLmEe1mL45nL; Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:04:05 +0200 X-TE-authinfo: authemail="i92guboj.terra.es" |auth_email="i92guboj@terra.es" X-TE-AcuTerraCos: auth_cuTerraCos="cosuitera01" Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:04:20 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jes=C3=BAs_Guerrero?= To: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] overlay usage and maintainence [was: DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future] In-Reply-To: <200909132141.13870.patrick@gentoo.org> References: <4AAAD714.1010107@hartwork.org> <200909132057.48975.patrick@gentoo.org> <200909132141.13870.patrick@gentoo.org> Message-ID: <92d1a560df57aa01b0ef304545c51ab3@localhost> X-Sender: i92guboj@terra.es User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.3-stable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: d1e74b5e-66f9-441c-90af-997f7f82d922 X-Archives-Hash: 7d82b983d917b4a3833d61e2e06cf807 On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:41:13 +0200, Patrick Lauer wrote: > On Sunday 13 September 2009 21:03:13 Jes=C3=BAs Guerrero wrote: >> On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:57:48 +0200, Patrick Lauer >>=20 >> wrote: >> > First issue: How do I find out in which overlay stuff is? >>=20 >> http://gentoo.zapto.org/ >=20 > That's not an official project, not mentioned in the layman docs afaik > (feel=20 > free to prove me wrong :) ) and only list the overlays in the layman > config. > It's just one step above "fetch from the bugzilla bug" ;) > (Ok, I'm exaggerating a bit, but it's still very user-unfriendly ...) I don't know what your point there is. Layman is not official either as far as I know, and the overlays are unsupported by Gentoo directly. >> > Second issue: "I want foopackage and barpackage, but not your hacked >> > gcc" >> > Overlays can overshadow tree packages, which can have undesired >> > effects. >>=20 >> Smart overlays shouldn't do that (and if you are using ~arch then it's >> *your* problem).=20 > How would you avoid it? If I had an overlay I'd dump everything in it that=20 > looks remotely interesting to me, and I don't care what you think shoul= d > be in=20 > my overlay ;) How? ~arch keywords? And, if you are in ~arch, then you are smart enough to live with this as well. >> Yep. All comes down to the same, lack of man power I think. > Always. And if you ever think you're done some users file some new bugs :) > So if you feel unhappy about things go fix them. You have the power! > (And any excuse that you are not talented enough or whatever ... look, > they=20 > let me commit to the tree too!) >=20 > Plus there's all the other fronts in the battle for the best linux distro.=20 > Bugwrangling, documentation maintenance, security issues, ... there are > enough=20 > possibilities even for those that can't or don't want to work on ebuild= s > directly. Just start working on stuff, ask when you need help and it'll be=20 > even better soon. >=20 > See? It's easy. And you have no excuse not to help. Now just do stuff! :) No. It's not me who's unhappy about the current status of things ;) I already do my work in other areas and I have no more time than I devote to Gentoo already. I maintain overlays to a minimum, and when I need an overlay I just pick it and put it into my personal overlay. Yes, every forum staffer could very well become a developer and spend their time doing some ebuilding, but then we would have a crappy forum full of spam (believe me, it takes time to keep it clean) :) --=20 Jes=C3=BAs Guerrero