From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M6sMb-0007sL-BY for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 20 May 2009 20:26:09 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B66DE0432; Wed, 20 May 2009 20:26:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qy0-f115.google.com (mail-qy0-f115.google.com [209.85.221.115]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1528AE0432 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 20:26:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk13 with SMTP id 13so1130869qyk.32 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 13:26:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ortwdoc2bOcJqe8iypXfhzwW2zg3ON7gzuAZ26cSPWM=; b=tzPjbMicSgrv3BmXxGhBdVRK8Cn1HuapC3WERDXXTkK9WtZx5vuS8UciKLl2Mvhu34 s8lJy6zPXXbh2FThzO0oTktBNOX0a/eQ20Ud3MzSo2wpqQ49zhhwZMsK08huwC/KvDVs xvzfoyTAd8grmiR/Di2xdCaWtvEuj0UR3BXyQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=UIaOGT3OSXp02rTs34pVKeqRBKizkhJ6972BtOygD3OwEItR3UKSWoZO8C/u5ZBo0E pgZ15yAK4ySZ6NZJKDQcm+vA+woT6A3oWPA60//siJW3P8HhzUGm9hhMG49bKn0VxVNh J7OuYG9Uy0S2ZqUAPn6i/iMZBe8Yt2SdSD4bw= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: jer.gentoo@gmail.com Received: by 10.220.71.10 with SMTP id f10mr2228427vcj.13.1242851167730; Wed, 20 May 2009 13:26:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A146333.3040907@gmail.com> References: <1242767909.3964.0@NeddySeagoon> <4A133498.7010102@gmail.com> <4A145890.50904@gentoo.org> <4A146333.3040907@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:26:07 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7c189eb1e44ab1cc Message-ID: <90b936c0905201326p3ea11a8fufe1b0244714bf30f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Gentoo Support Everywhere From: Jeremy Olexa To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 73f902e4-5572-43fc-84bb-097ebb9c31ec X-Archives-Hash: e0c62375cfd53834d1dd95c7a54fe0e7 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Dale wrote: > Alistair Bush wrote: >> Dale wrote: >> >> >>>> The Gentoo subforum on LQ would help to collect the posts in one place= . >>>> >>>> >>> That would be the point. =C2=A0Gentoo has its own forum so why have two >>> forums? =C2=A0What would be the point in having two places to go look f= or >>> answers? =C2=A0Better yet, why would Gentoo support both forums? >>> >>> I'm a member at LQ tho I haven't been there in a long while. =C2=A0I ju= st >>> don't see why there has to be two forums when the one forum we have is >>> more than enough. =C2=A0If someone can't find the Gentoo forums, I'm no= t sure >>> they can find the chair and keyboard either. =C2=A0lol >>> >>> >> >> How about we ask for a subforum to be created with a BIG STICKY telling >> it is better to ask support questions at forums.gentoo.org >> >> Could it be possible that users don't know about f.g.o? =C2=A0( find it >> highly unlikely actually) >> >> Alistair >> >> >> > > I'm not 100% against this. =C2=A0I do like your idea a lot tho. =C2=A0I h= ave two > things that concern me but may not make sense to anyone else. > > 1: =C2=A0Anyone remember the GUI installer? =C2=A0I didn't think there wa= s enough > people back then to support that "monster" either. =C2=A0I liked the idea= but > thought Gentoo would be better served by letting the devs concentrate on > better things and most likely more important things. =C2=A0I feel about t= he > same way about this. =C2=A0In the past week or so, I have seen discussion= s > about packages not having maintainers and other things that needs > attention but lack time or man power. =C2=A0While Gentoo has come a VERY = long > way in even the past few months, I would hate to see it get bogged down > with another project. =C2=A0If it gets more projects than it can handle, = the > "death of Gentoo" talk will start again. =C2=A0I been here long enough to= see > that a few times. The point that you are missing is that Jes=C3=BAs is already doing the same stuff now as he will in the future. He just needs a project page to make his "job" even easier and 'official' for LQ management. > > 2: =C2=A0I sort of like having basically one place to go for help. =C2=A0= The place > I go is Gentoo. =C2=A0That includes the Gentoo mailing list and the Gento= o > forums. =C2=A0If LQ has a forum, who is next, justlinux, then someone els= e > etc etc etc? =C2=A0Am I and a lot of other people going to have to search > half a dozen websites to find a fix? =C2=A0What if the answer to my quest= ion > is on a website I am not familiar with or know about? =C2=A0There would b= e a > lot of duplication of threads across several sites and fixes would be > harder to find. =C2=A0 I am a member at justlinux, LQ and several other s= ites > and I on occasion help people on other sites but I don't go looking for > Gentoo fixes there. Agreed, but people will do it anyway. We can't "shut down" http://www.gentoo-quebec.org/forum/ for example. > > I'm not a dev by any means and what I say may not count for anything and > could be ignored if needed. =C2=A0I have been using Gentoo since the old = 1.4 > days, even that was old when I got the CD, so I would hate to see Gentoo > stall or stagnate again. =C2=A0Number two really concerns me a lot. =C2= =A0The devs > can decide if they should support the idea as far as man power. =C2=A0I d= on't > see a way around having to search different sites to find fixes tho. I highly, highly doubt that the GSE project will cause any stagnation of Gentoo Linux. Jes=C3=BAs is not an ebuild developer, so if anything his efforts here will *help* Gentoo and could bring in more community members. The more community members we have, the more ebuild developers we might get, etc etc. > > That said, I know Jeremy at LQ from talks in the past. =C2=A0I know the s= ite > and it is a great site. =C2=A0I am not questioning that at all. > > As for people knowing about Gentoo and the forums, go to google and type > in Gentoo. =C2=A0First hit, Gentoo home page. =C2=A0Even includes links t= o the > docs and other pages that are handy. > > Thoughts? I really don't understand your negativity showing in this thread. I'm not trying to attack you or anything, so don't get the wrong impression. > > Dale > > :-) =C2=A0:-) > >