From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8525B158089 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 17:20:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 65A832BC04B; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 17:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from james.steelbluetech.co.uk (james.steelbluetech.co.uk [92.63.139.228]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B6822BC025 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 17:20:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ukinbox.ecrypt.net (hq2.ehuk.net [10.0.10.2]) by james.steelbluetech.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A24DBFC13 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 18:20:00 +0100 (BST) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 james.steelbluetech.co.uk 9A24DBFC13 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ehuk.net; s=default; t=1694712000; bh=T6npx8cLDg2ywxqZY4+qitieBP/QpP5GwSSu23xeiWY=; h=In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To:Reply-To:From; b=SzwFGa+cFUJ3wzWOS2BHmgrwCYyiV/GiUenE3yZ5bEpbBpiGTyVxavUqR9Dn4wQyz CH78JenAYJxUQStA5B/R3lOMH2AP1qTajHKou7+8xMvWLvP4hseVbZ54Rc+dEARz2J 3Rbnub/mxnEH11tvorQkZ2upEBnuARgUfvFWUnfOec2pMojMwaH1VYkF7VuCdiCIJw xr9N992taATGDcC6tm6a3Ymq5bJ4yf9cgvWE3SJ3y3CxmJ8uMP5AzN0VyWr67CU80Y JaJXQk6x+gUrIaywdOAS+z4Vh8dSAWkw8Mev+rn5T/FdTYyYgd9ajYJwerkkKlznDY V8x+wHwO8o4TQ== Message-ID: <8fff234d3e24b28923aaac0866ca78af.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> In-Reply-To: References: <7802203.lOV4Wx5bFT@kona> <92dfbb91650e4fe9c82268ccddf8b0ab.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <4270953.Sgy9Pd6rRy@pinacolada> <25616924cf66471fbd1075753551dffa.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <7B549F95-5EEA-4DD3-A046-AA6F2C7B6349@gentoo.org> <5aa46e8fd2c09e8d54c6a9ec71725529.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <6e35ba9b-a55b-4b36-9d79-96faa5fb1dc6@gentoo.org> <0daf33d92cd33094b88c0411a16a63ac.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 18:20:00 +0100 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev From: "Eddie Chapman" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.2 [SVN] Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang X-Archives-Salt: 902032e0-807b-47d3-9d8c-53517bdf9e00 X-Archives-Hash: f254cbb484d5a1fefe5e95d818e7a2e0 Alex Boag-Munroe wrote: > A maintainer would need to be willing to uphold the "provides > virtual/libudev, honest guv" as well as deliver on the promises it makes > when it tells pkgconf what version it is. Not doing so is a support and > user headache later when more things use the new tags interface and subtle > or even not so subtle bugs creep in, new bugs get opened on b.g.o as well > as the added burden on #gentoo IRC. At the end of the day if keeping it causes so much grief for devs on bz, irc or elsewhere then fair enough I accept that, if that would really be the case, I'd never want to advocate something that comes with too a high a cost from that point of view. If the majority of Gentoo's devs just don't want it around causing headache after headache that's a valid reason to get rid of it. However, I believe what I'm proposing would not have the result you're predicting as it would no longer be falsely promising something it cannot deliver, as desktop use would not be supported (unless someone comes up with a way of making that work acceptably of course) yet and maybe never. Maybe there would even need to be a (shock,horror) dirty hack with regards pkgconf (ok now I'm probably really going to get kicked out for suggesting that)