From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D543715815E for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2024 22:56:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0045CE2AA7; Fri, 9 Feb 2024 22:56:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pissmail.com (mail.pissmail.com [173.249.47.55]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A48C6E2A9B for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2024 22:56:33 +0000 (UTC) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=shitposting.expert; s=dkim; t=1707519390; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=TMxvcDChyxJY8hgONHExwzRNusB5K92x6XpRW83uJIc=; b=dfe/3mSzK+3H0ZEGdOG8FiQ2wD0WXjAn0hk+CkiCVaMACXT6cwCG7sr2Zsz8Shk968MPyL IAfPt6btayWWW6okyXbTThM/K9jyyBz9U6TiycObxzI3aVN3HtMYb1R31HAFmwaIBHNzU7 w3KrL29wb1V+vCW/FaFukli/aEPFr3EkLfuAvxjUYPQIjv8N4/DtCk1gQuYk0G0HHgjR52 SdyzygOoI6Jigu4yXweWgvaLhwuzxWXETndKBNA4iMV7Krbs6NTJYUdCRsDOT79E3qE4Cb NIYdJ79JU0bQTRMjlk7f02r7sZvMj1UrPH26N7Lm94L/y4PIXIJTO8Fw+OCqsg== Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2024 22:56:30 +0000 From: stefan11111 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] special small-files USE flag without effect on dependencies: [ unicode ] In-Reply-To: <56ee84f4-ba11-46b1-9e44-164eb4168e33@gmail.com> References: <6eae895976c68d4c4a4d2036476d4d100c63c797.camel@gentoo.org> <91f35079-037f-45aa-8041-c964e418818b@gmail.com> <177a7913d39c590f43a8261b96ebf155b642d6a8.camel@gentoo.org> <4a608d4e-a605-41a7-9d64-3ef4247f834b@gmail.com> <95043973757aab8c25587fbe98409a85a330b658.camel@gentoo.org> <56ee84f4-ba11-46b1-9e44-164eb4168e33@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8db6529b478c267afa679a9b91f27cd2@shitposting.expert> X-Sender: stefan11111@shitposting.expert Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Authentication-Results: mail.pissmail.com; auth=pass smtp.mailfrom=stefan11111@shitposting.expert X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Archives-Salt: ffc0289a-9a24-4231-aee4-8ec01b95b1ef X-Archives-Hash: 29ba5786d8726154821e15a7b7811f8d On 2024-02-09 21:56, Eli Schwartz wrote: > On 2/9/24 4:25 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >> This is the part where you try to convince me that the things I want >> are stupid. OK. I don't care. I want it off. Leave me alone :) > > > As evidenced by the removal of libressl and eudev, this logic is > fallacious and wrong and not the way Gentoo is developed. > Both removals definitely not still being contested and debated. > Gentoo does indeed discuss the things that people want, and try to > determine whether they are useful to users, whether they are a placebo, > and whether they are maintainable or have an adverse effect either on > users or on the effort to maintain a consistent tree. > > So circling back around to the start of the thread: > >> pkgcheck complains about each new version of dev-lisp/sbcl: > > It is the allegation of the QA team that the option is a lie, it > contains no purpose or value and doesn't contribute to use choice, and > pkgcheck is reporting the QA team's allegation. > > If you wish to convince the QA team otherwise, be my guest... but I > would personally encourage you to come up with a better argument than > "the option makes me feel better about myself, I don't care what you > have to say, just leave my options alone goshdarnit; I have the right > to > be stupid". > > Because I don't think you're likely to convince anyone like that. > Sorry. Maybe support as much choice as possible, and not act like you know what users want better that the users themselves. -- Linux-gentoo-x86_64-Intel-R-_Core-TM-_i5-7400_CPU_@_3.00GHz COMMON_FLAGS="-O3 -pipe -march=native -ftree-vectorize -ffast-math -funswitch-loops -fuse-linker-plugin -flto -fdevirtualize-at-ltrans -fno-plt -fno-semantic-interposition -fno-common -falign-functions=64 -fgraphite-identity -floop-nest-optimize" USE="-* git verify-sig rsync-verify man alsa X grub ssl ipv6 lto libressl olde-gentoo asm native-symlinks threads jit jumbo-build minimal strip system-man" INSTALL_MASK="/etc/systemd /lib/systemd /usr/lib/systemd /usr/lib/modules-load.d /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d *tmpfiles* /var/lib/dbus /lib/udev /usr/share/icons /usr/share/applications /usr/share/gtk-3.0/emoji"