* Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Mass last-riting of x86-but-not-amd64 packages
2019-08-31 8:03 [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Mass last-riting of x86-but-not-amd64 packages Michał Górny
@ 2019-08-31 8:22 ` Mart Raudsepp
2019-08-31 9:16 ` Roy Bamford
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From: Mart Raudsepp @ 2019-08-31 8:22 UTC (permalink / raw
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Ühel kenal päeval, L, 31.08.2019 kell 10:03, kirjutas Michał Górny:
> x11-drivers/xf86-video-geode
This one is a required driver for Geode LX hardware, which is 32bit.
Mart
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2019-08-31 8:22 ` Mart Raudsepp
@ 2019-08-31 9:16 ` Roy Bamford
2019-08-31 11:07 ` Nils Freydank
2019-08-31 14:39 ` Michael Orlitzky
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From: Roy Bamford @ 2019-08-31 9:16 UTC (permalink / raw
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Hi Michał,
On 2019.08.31 09:03, Michał Górny wrote:
> Hello,
>
> We still have a lot of packages that are keyworded ~x86/x86 but were
> never keyworded ~amd64. While I suppose there might be exceptions to
> that, in most cases it means that simply nobody has been using it for
> years.
x86, the 32 bit variety, is still popular at the low power end of the spectrum
for things like network appliances. Not the sort of hardware you would
play many games on these days.
Proceed with caution. Mask them and leave them in the tree. Wait and
see who shouts, if anyone.
Low power systems don't get updated terribly regularly, so be prepared
to leave the packages in the tree for a lot longer than the customary 30
days.
>
> Many of them are still at EAPI 0; some were ported to newer EAPIs
> specifically to clean old EAPIs.
>
> I've already cleaned up some false positives (like svgalib). If you
> know more, please let me know.
>
> I have mixed feelings about games on the list. On one hand, it's
> rather
> obvious that they're x86 binary games. However, if somebody actually
> used them, they would have probably gained amd64 multilib compat by
> now.
>
> ---
>
[snip list]
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Michał Górny
>
>
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Regards,
Roy Bamford
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2019-08-31 9:16 ` Roy Bamford
@ 2019-08-31 11:07 ` Nils Freydank
2019-09-01 7:23 ` Michał Górny
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From: Nils Freydank @ 2019-08-31 11:07 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
Hi,
most of my points were just said. Two additional notes:
- dev-embedded/jtag says upstream is dead anyway and it
recommends an alternative we have inside our tree,
dev-embedded/urjtag.
- games-strategy/netpanzer got a rewrite called
version 2.something, which looks active/used.
Please reflect these in the masking message(s).
However, thanks for the housekeeping!
Kind regards,
Nils
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Mass last-riting of x86-but-not-amd64 packages
2019-08-31 11:07 ` Nils Freydank
@ 2019-09-01 7:23 ` Michał Górny
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From: Michał Górny @ 2019-09-01 7:23 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
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On Sat, 2019-08-31 at 13:07 +0200, Nils Freydank wrote:
> Hi,
>
> most of my points were just said. Two additional notes:
>
> - dev-embedded/jtag says upstream is dead anyway and it
> recommends an alternative we have inside our tree,
> dev-embedded/urjtag.
>
> - games-strategy/netpanzer got a rewrite called
> version 2.something, which looks active/used.
The '0.8.7' fork also seems relatively reasonable. In any case, our
version is ancient and broken.
>
> Please reflect these in the masking message(s).
>
>
> However, thanks for the housekeeping!
>
Thanks for the info. I'll lastrite those two now, and include the extra
information.
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Best regards,
Michał Górny
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Mass last-riting of x86-but-not-amd64 packages
2019-08-31 8:03 [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Mass last-riting of x86-but-not-amd64 packages Michał Górny
2019-08-31 8:22 ` Mart Raudsepp
2019-08-31 9:16 ` Roy Bamford
@ 2019-08-31 14:39 ` Michael Orlitzky
2019-08-31 20:14 ` Matt Turner
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From: Michael Orlitzky @ 2019-08-31 14:39 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
On 8/31/19 4:03 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
>
> I've already cleaned up some false positives (like svgalib). If you
> know more, please let me know.
>
> ...
> dev-libs/gnulib
This one has only prefix keywords and is maintained by prefix@. It has a
recentish EAPI=6 version.
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2019-08-31 14:39 ` Michael Orlitzky
@ 2019-08-31 20:14 ` Matt Turner
2019-08-31 20:20 ` Michał Górny
2019-08-31 20:56 ` James Le Cuirot
2019-09-08 9:23 ` Michał Górny
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From: Matt Turner @ 2019-08-31 20:14 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo development
On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 1:04 AM Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
> sys-fs/hfsplusutils
Your script should probably check for other keywords as well. This
package is almost entirely for use on ppc/ppc64 machines. For whatever
reason it has an x86 keyword as well, so the lack of an amd64 keyword
doesn't indicate that it should be removed.
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2019-08-31 20:14 ` Matt Turner
@ 2019-08-31 20:20 ` Michał Górny
2019-09-01 9:46 ` David Seifert
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From: Michał Górny @ 2019-08-31 20:20 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
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On Sat, 2019-08-31 at 13:14 -0700, Matt Turner wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 1:04 AM Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > sys-fs/hfsplusutils
>
> Your script should probably check for other keywords as well. This
> package is almost entirely for use on ppc/ppc64 machines. For whatever
> reason it has an x86 keyword as well, so the lack of an amd64 keyword
> doesn't indicate that it should be removed.
>
I've already removed it from the list, along with other packages that
have revdeps.
However, I don't think that's a really good argument. Many ancient
packages have x86 and ppc keywords which doesn't make them any less
dead.
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Best regards,
Michał Górny
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Mass last-riting of x86-but-not-amd64 packages
2019-08-31 20:20 ` Michał Górny
@ 2019-09-01 9:46 ` David Seifert
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From: David Seifert @ 2019-09-01 9:46 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
On Sat, 2019-08-31 at 22:20 +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Sat, 2019-08-31 at 13:14 -0700, Matt Turner wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 1:04 AM Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org>
> > wrote:
> > > sys-fs/hfsplusutils
> >
> > Your script should probably check for other keywords as well. This
> > package is almost entirely for use on ppc/ppc64 machines. For
> > whatever
> > reason it has an x86 keyword as well, so the lack of an amd64
> > keyword
> > doesn't indicate that it should be removed.
> >
>
> I've already removed it from the list, along with other packages that
> have revdeps.
>
> However, I don't think that's a really good argument. Many ancient
> packages have x86 and ppc keywords which doesn't make them any less
> dead.
>
Fedora seems to be building it fine on amd64. I will take over
maintenance of that package.
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Mass last-riting of x86-but-not-amd64 packages
2019-08-31 8:03 [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Mass last-riting of x86-but-not-amd64 packages Michał Górny
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2019-08-31 20:14 ` Matt Turner
@ 2019-08-31 20:56 ` James Le Cuirot
2019-09-01 7:50 ` Michał Górny
2019-09-08 9:23 ` Michał Górny
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From: James Le Cuirot @ 2019-08-31 20:56 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
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On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 10:03:47 +0200
Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
> dev-games/flinker
This builds and starts on amd64 but I'm dubious about whether it would
work correctly in practise. I don't imagine anyone will want to use it.
Best just let it die.
> dev-games/gtkradiant
This has been superseded a few times over and the current fork is
NetRadiant-custom. There is an open bug about the older NetRadiant but
I only dabbled in Quake mapping so never cared enough.
https://bugs.gentoo.org/352981
> dev-games/hlsdk
This is a remnant of the Half-Life server stuff that vapier removed in
2005 with the message "valve sucks at linux". I could say more about it
but nobody cares.
> games-action/battalion
> games-action/fakk2
> games-action/postalplus
> games-arcade/epiar
> games-arcade/gunocide2ex
> games-emulation/mekanix
> games-fps/aaut
> games-fps/industri
> games-fps/red-blue-quake2
> games-fps/tenebrae
> games-fps/tribes2
> games-fps/unreal-tournament-strikeforce
> games-fps/ut2003-bonuspack-cm
> games-fps/ut2003-bonuspack-de
> games-fps/ut2003-bonuspack-epic
> games-fps/wolfgl
> games-misc/c++robots
> games-roguelike/hengband
> games-server/bf1942-lnxded
> games-server/mtavc
> games-strategy/mindrover-demo
> games-strategy/netpanzer
I'll try to look through some of these. I still care about UT and even
worked on (but didn't finish) a new UT99 ebuild not so long ago.
Unfortunately it's never been a top priority.
> sys-fs/atari-fdisk
This is still usable on m68k, which is the Atari's own architecture.
The code assumes 32-bit longs so it won't work on 64-bit but it
probably wouldn't be that hard to fix if someone cared enough. I'm
interested in m68k but for the Amiga rather than the Atari. I'm not
sure how useful this is in practise. On the Amiga, I would still use
the AmigaOS partitioning tool over something like this. There is no
replacement for the Atari on Linux as far as I can see though so I
think it should stay.
--
James Le Cuirot (chewi)
Gentoo Linux Developer
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2019-08-31 20:56 ` James Le Cuirot
@ 2019-09-01 7:50 ` Michał Górny
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From: Michał Górny @ 2019-09-01 7:50 UTC (permalink / raw
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On Sat, 2019-08-31 at 21:56 +0100, James Le Cuirot wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 10:03:47 +0200
> Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> > dev-games/flinker
>
> This builds and starts on amd64 but I'm dubious about whether it would
> work correctly in practise. I don't imagine anyone will want to use it.
> Best just let it die.
>
> > dev-games/gtkradiant
>
> This has been superseded a few times over and the current fork is
> NetRadiant-custom. There is an open bug about the older NetRadiant but
> I only dabbled in Quake mapping so never cared enough.
>
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/352981
>
> > dev-games/hlsdk
>
> This is a remnant of the Half-Life server stuff that vapier removed in
> 2005 with the message "valve sucks at linux". I could say more about it
> but nobody cares.
Thanks, I have sent last rites for those three.
>
> > games-action/battalion
> > games-action/fakk2
> > games-action/postalplus
> > games-arcade/epiar
> > games-arcade/gunocide2ex
> > games-emulation/mekanix
> > games-fps/aaut
> > games-fps/industri
> > games-fps/red-blue-quake2
> > games-fps/tenebrae
> > games-fps/tribes2
> > games-fps/unreal-tournament-strikeforce
> > games-fps/ut2003-bonuspack-cm
> > games-fps/ut2003-bonuspack-de
> > games-fps/ut2003-bonuspack-epic
> > games-fps/wolfgl
> > games-misc/c++robots
> > games-roguelike/hengband
> > games-server/bf1942-lnxded
> > games-server/mtavc
> > games-strategy/mindrover-demo
> > games-strategy/netpanzer
>
> I'll try to look through some of these. I still care about UT and even
> worked on (but didn't finish) a new UT99 ebuild not so long ago.
> Unfortunately it's never been a top priority.
Cool. Feel free to either last rite those you don't think useful,
or ping me to take care of them.
>
> > sys-fs/atari-fdisk
>
> This is still usable on m68k, which is the Atari's own architecture.
> The code assumes 32-bit longs so it won't work on 64-bit but it
> probably wouldn't be that hard to fix if someone cared enough. I'm
> interested in m68k but for the Amiga rather than the Atari. I'm not
> sure how useful this is in practise. On the Amiga, I would still use
> the AmigaOS partitioning tool over something like this. There is no
> replacement for the Atari on Linux as far as I can see though so I
> think it should stay.
Ok, will remove from the list.
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Michał Górny
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Mass last-riting of x86-but-not-amd64 packages
2019-08-31 8:03 [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Mass last-riting of x86-but-not-amd64 packages Michał Górny
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2019-08-31 20:56 ` James Le Cuirot
@ 2019-09-08 9:23 ` Michał Górny
2019-09-08 14:47 ` Ulrich Mueller
2019-09-08 15:20 ` Conrad Kostecki
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From: Michał Górny @ 2019-09-08 9:23 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
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On Sat, 2019-08-31 at 10:03 +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
> Hello,
>
> We still have a lot of packages that are keyworded ~x86/x86 but were
> never keyworded ~amd64. While I suppose there might be exceptions to
> that, in most cases it means that simply nobody has been using it for
> years.
>
> Many of them are still at EAPI 0; some were ported to newer EAPIs
> specifically to clean old EAPIs.
>
> I've already cleaned up some false positives (like svgalib). If you
> know more, please let me know.
>
> I have mixed feelings about games on the list. On one hand, it's rather
> obvious that they're x86 binary games. However, if somebody actually
> used them, they would have probably gained amd64 multilib compat by now.
>
Here's a better list, containing intersection of x86-only + EAPI 0:
app-admin/consolehm *
app-emulation/vov *
app-text/fdftk *
app-text/freepwing *
dev-db/vbisam *
dev-lang/gwydion-dylan-bin *
dev-lang/tinycobol *
dev-libs/asyncresolv *
dev-libs/cpl-stratego *
dev-libs/libvolume_id *
media-sound/hearnet
media-sound/imp3sh
media-video/maven-poke
media-video/xanim-export
net-dialup/dgcmodem
net-dns/tinystats
net-libs/roadrunner
net-libs/vanessa-mcast
net-mail/fastforward
net-mail/gensig
net-mail/qmail-lint
net-mail/qmail-qsanity
net-misc/hlfl
net-misc/netprofiles-ims
net-misc/shout
net-p2p/mktorrent-borg
net-p2p/myster
net-p2p/smet2html
net-p2p/xnap
net-wireless/orinoco-fwutils
sys-apps/checkservice
sys-apps/fwcrv
sys-apps/lcdutils
sys-apps/netboot-base
sys-auth/icmpdn
sys-boot/psoload
sys-boot/raincoat
sys-cluster/feedbackd-agent
sys-cluster/feedbackd-master
sys-cluster/ocfs
sys-fs/scan-ffs
sys-libs/lrmi
www-apache/mod_diagnostics
www-apache/mod_pcgi2 *
www-apps/browser-config
www-apps/metadot
www-apps/pcgi *
www-client/ck4up
Those with '*' are definitely last rited already.
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Best regards,
Michał Górny
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2019-09-08 9:23 ` Michał Górny
@ 2019-09-08 14:47 ` Ulrich Mueller
2019-09-08 15:20 ` Conrad Kostecki
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From: Ulrich Mueller @ 2019-09-08 14:47 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Michał Górny; +Cc: gentoo-dev
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>>>>> On Sun, 08 Sep 2019, Michał Górny wrote:
> Here's a better list, containing intersection of x86-only + EAPI 0:
> media-video/maven-poke
> net-misc/netprofiles-ims
> sys-boot/psoload
AFAICS, these three are not redistributable (with wrong LICENSE info
in their ebuilds) and have dead SRC_URI. Bugs filed.
Ulrich
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Mass last-riting of x86-but-not-amd64 packages
2019-09-08 9:23 ` Michał Górny
2019-09-08 14:47 ` Ulrich Mueller
@ 2019-09-08 15:20 ` Conrad Kostecki
2019-09-08 15:53 ` Michał Górny
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From: Conrad Kostecki @ 2019-09-08 15:20 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
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Hi Michał,
Am 08.09.2019 11:23:06, "Michał Górny" <mgorny@gentoo.org> schrieb:
>sys-apps/lcdutils
>
this package is for an old Sun Cobalt Qube, which was only mips and x86.
I could bump to newer EAPI, since I have such hardware and could test.
But I only have a x86 qube, I don't own the older mips variant.
Conrad
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Mass last-riting of x86-but-not-amd64 packages
2019-09-08 15:20 ` Conrad Kostecki
@ 2019-09-08 15:53 ` Michał Górny
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From: Michał Górny @ 2019-09-08 15:53 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
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On Sun, 2019-09-08 at 15:20 +0000, Conrad Kostecki wrote:
> Hi Michał,
>
> Am 08.09.2019 11:23:06, "Michał Górny" <mgorny@gentoo.org> schrieb:
>
> > sys-apps/lcdutils
> >
> this package is for an old Sun Cobalt Qube, which was only mips and x86.
> I could bump to newer EAPI, since I have such hardware and could test.
>
> But I only have a x86 qube, I don't own the older mips variant.
>
Testing on one platform should be sufficient for an EAPI bump. That is,
if you think that's a good use of your time. I honestly don't think
people are likely to be using them anyway.
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Michał Górny
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