From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HyjNF-0000gY-Hg for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 07:04:06 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5E738sE020374; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 07:03:08 GMT Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5E71I6b018111 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 07:01:19 GMT Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id p76so1180832pyb for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 00:01:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cEkJz13QzWRGQtDEqpnEFUThPAjpggReJJNz9cQZ4I+COBT0bH5HnY/tJdgZXH0BQjHaT8QVZT2111KzOS7Hs4pLa37Cdx7Wl4KjbxEpfw+/YTObvVfv//Hw2OzEfLXegOJxI2eBIamPthPs/Ck5mC2jHRCiy9NB7VOnRTqYBPU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XJq6tp6VIAYptHQXRQJ3hVbl4TlLZ4ubTkL67A4FttwRm44kFmgOQ0SJ5WEBFvkWfnPT7f9gf/ZQWNOs3kb5NxFfwg9NATlqpC8W6Z+jNabtFuh0gIO60D50FiahonQEnN9ppvs4q8R4RzxnkTom0LSW06f0xRPgJdOW8iTsCx0= Received: by 10.64.131.4 with SMTP id e4mr2511706qbd.1181804478240; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 00:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.251.19 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 00:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8cd1ed20706140001y6e1a416aj67711e401e99cc8f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:01:18 +1200 From: "Kent Fredric" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree In-Reply-To: <200706140353.30549.abhay.ilugd@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46701D06.5080302@gentoo.org> <200706140128.43094.abhay.ilugd@gmail.com> <46705293.90501@gentoo.org> <200706140353.30549.abhay.ilugd@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 631fe763-3bfa-49ea-98e4-c7aca05150d9 X-Archives-Hash: 8427c2b9cda6bf5ba1657f0055f52e2b On 6/14/07, Abhay Kedia wrote: > On Thursday 14 Jun 2007 1:54:51 am Vlastimil Babka wrote: > > > > But maybe Skype is not so pressing to upgrade, just doesn't provide > > distfiles anymore. Then maybe we don't have to obey, but still it's > > really questionable if it should be marked stable at all. > > > Then don't mark it stable but dropping it from the tree altogether? That is > taking it a bit too far imho. > > > > > And yeah I'm a Java dev but at least Java is now open (I admit that the > > stable VM's in tree are not, yet) and I don't see that coming for Skype. > > Also Java (and your examples of closed source stuff) are not infamous > > for the bad stuff mentioned above. > > > Has any one done the same kind of analysis on all the closed source > applications we have in tree? If we take an alternate view on the wikipedia > link then it can be said that it is just an attempt for spreading FUD while > trying to pimp Open Source alternatives? > > Don't get me wrong...I love open source and that is one of the reasons why I > have been using GNU/Linux for many years but acting paranoid and dropping > popular packages from tree is not something, I as a common user, would like > to see. This is the only reason I am poking my nose in the workings of devs. > Indeed, if you were to drop all non-opensource _games_ from the tree you'd loose most, if not all of your popular mainstream games, and we'd have become another debian ;), and one of the big 'gotchas' i've loathed about debian for many years is their "zomg!..its not 'free'!.. extradite it to the abyss!" , and thus for many years MP3 support and many other applications were just the same as red hat, ... either broken, limited functionality due to 'freeness' , or downright missing altogether. ( anyone remember the pre-sun-java-in-debian days? ) I love free software as much as the next guy, but sometimes you want to use something non-free, regardless of status, and regardless of how much it sucks ;) *ducks* Gentoo is about choices, one of those choices is the choice to install closed-source software, or software with well documented evils, the best thing we can do is warn users what they're getting themselves into and let them make an informed decision IMO. -- Kent ruby -e '[1, 2, 4, 7, 0, 9, 5, 8, 3, 10, 11, 6, 12, 13].each{|x| print "enNOSPicAMreil kdrtf@gma.com"[(2*x)..(2*x+1)]}' -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list