From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K9JmL-0001sb-1q for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:02:17 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 689E0E02D2; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:02:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.187]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C3CE02D2 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:02:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id u5so337786tia.10 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 06:02:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ZWz5AJVBU+hpHVwKnnEd7HJOmQiZPgejie6gD1dlYCU=; b=FLclAMMDHDUdG8CMzEaN2ijIQIE8rg6i4hCGTLBMLZ0eQsRUBQo1/zRqXDiwp+a5pQ q3UnF02twl1lyaCbsbYVTc8VaqWZQ+N/LV6TVHNxYbKLLZEGJY/4M9vkBmIqAGSNOi9J 8vYB3rZu8stru1nTzSRD/fEmliv9NPjcYTFLc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=AObb2e7ZVzjmxRHbAdKlM0G4uET1xqAy47InHDwx3nZf/NUdPMxyNbfR93sQ0AmloU GJvjaAN2jxRLmRwIP+ofxKVWXPLAPh5LYqE2dlmobDIWz60FP3NBugken3q3QERqATDR kKkVQiCED329b7tlTyKzU9L41beBcmzjV4A0A= Received: by 10.110.46.3 with SMTP id t3mr1582095tit.33.1213880533480; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 06:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.110.17.2 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 06:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8b4c83ad0806190602t68e46eb2m2e4783f4e164d34c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:32:13 +0530 From: "Nirbheek Chauhan" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June] In-Reply-To: <20080619122831.GA16554@nexon.nexus> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080611070618.54E4066E24@smtp.gentoo.org> <20080611215827.GB7074@comet> <1213540950.16905.149.camel@camobap> <20080615155052.3376fd83@googlemail.com> <1213839792.4449.7.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> <22b538bc0806181940n155a8093g9c407d3729052847@mail.gmail.com> <4859CDE6.1000901@gmail.com> <20080619122831.GA16554@nexon.nexus> X-Archives-Salt: ecb59914-d379-4608-85fa-53983767a035 X-Archives-Hash: fa4b7a3153fecc97842ad52c9df460c1 On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Patrick B=F6rjesson wrote: > On 2008-06-19 04:09, George Prowse uttered these thoughts: >> In the end, PMS is just a way for them to spread their own agenda and fo= rce >> it on both the developers and the users so maybe it would be best for al= l >> if paludis and it's developers were to concentrate on making paludis for= a >> different distro. Trollix may be a good place to start... > > I'm pretty sure "they" have no leverage what so ever to force the Gentoo > community into ANYTHING, so kindly lay off the exaggerations. The point is that their replies to the mailing list waste a lot of time and energy since people will *always* reply to them. Even if half the community decides (out of the half that hasn't unsubscribed or left because of them) not to reply to them, someone from the other half will reply, and the thread will again spiral downwards. I recommend seeing (at least) the first 5-10 mins of http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D-4216011961522818645 (posted by Roy Maples in this same thread) > If you're > not happy with the way that PMS is developed, fork it. It's open source. > That's the way open source development works; if you're not happy with > something, fix it (iow, do the damn work yourself instead of complaining)= . I completely agree. They should stop pushing it in everyone's faces. We all know PMS exists. When the developer community thinks it's ready, council will approve it. > > I'm not a proponent for any side here, but i'm getting mighty fucking > irritated of the personal attacks. I know it's impossible for some > people, and it's probably an unreachable ideal, but could everyone just > think a couple of extra seconds about the technical aspects instead of > just lashing out because someone indirectly calls you an idiot when you > mess up. The problem, of course, comes up when one side likes to mix technical replies with personal attacks[1][2][3][4][...]. 1. http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_23e836c773616f0e816f3c421900e1= f1.xml 2. http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_3bb49516dc83b9f4d8f80a4e67fa7a= 84.xml 3,4,... Many many more. I don't intend to waste time searching for them. --=20 ~Nirbheek Chauhan -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list