From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-dev+bounces-30845-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1K2HYn-0004bk-Tg for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 31 May 2008 03:15:14 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D80C8E0394; Sat, 31 May 2008 03:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.187]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C760E0394 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Sat, 31 May 2008 03:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id u5so80701tia.10 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 30 May 2008 20:15:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=mJWoTUeE4NfuD9+f8SV0YeGNgeniWKHzG6ybsaSEHwY=; b=Ts6mQlerbi2wvOxluWGD8nF6x19D6Mm61R3t9Uz08nFtE5YUDzTo+/3gEUbdcFBO2JhdqN+sUIZKdpsD7X7AQiL7BPUpvi7mcz7x9Ax1WNu+8m6IB34gFEYy+WcJQQgU5lIxpHOShx5nN1vVnvVZu4z/ZIANrOYapPnU2sHDTEY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pk0kX6n9ASuY4Q4HMkTDh+4OLvGwD+M9y/wqhyHaWeHHVFc9qTTCg05AT/e5b8Nm/HnFxkNLcXP+dNF64f2tJt2nnIC0Dr7BmqvhDSaeyETKplLXIL3LeG5S7ByH5lBKHIlKwQhLadw1QWSK/XcdYzxxBvUreTt7aW7aI8IwndE= Received: by 10.110.3.15 with SMTP id 15mr829116tic.15.1212203709963; Fri, 30 May 2008 20:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.110.41.4 with HTTP; Fri, 30 May 2008 20:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8b4c83ad0805302015y2f408626rd479dde4f578badf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 08:45:09 +0530 From: "Nirbheek Chauhan" <nirbheek.chauhan@gmail.com> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: --as-needed to default LDFLAGS (Was: RFC: Should preserve-libs be enabled by default?) In-Reply-To: <20080531040300.475efef6@snowcone> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080530220743.GH17201@comet> <20080531021748.4dd0b78e@snowcone> <20080531014356.GB6931@seldon.metaweb.com> <20080531025020.7d7da9d7@snowcone> <8b4c83ad0805301908sec8a9dale54c1696b5a0dccc@mail.gmail.com> <20080531031432.24169d4c@snowcone> <8b4c83ad0805301923v73ee15eds92d525f97a0e2c4b@mail.gmail.com> <20080531033319.02d42034@snowcone> <8b4c83ad0805301958x6ea98788l77983b10756f0da4@mail.gmail.com> <20080531040300.475efef6@snowcone> X-Archives-Salt: 76b7f4df-9eb1-434b-a5b2-b914df89e186 X-Archives-Hash: 5c8528c73ca42dcb34b663687398cb2e On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccreesh@googlemail.com> wrote: > On Sat, 31 May 2008 08:28:27 +0530 > "Nirbheek Chauhan" <nirbheek.chauhan@gmail.com> wrote: >> Fact: It can't be fixed easily and/or in a reasonable time-frame. Else >> someone would've done it -- heck you could've fixed it. > > Untrue. The amount of effort that's been wasted messing around with > as-needed could easily have been directed to fixing the root cause > instead. Debian have already done most of the work. And the time you just wasted spewing rhetoric on this thread? Since you have such a deep understanding of everything, couldn't you have done the rest of the work, posted it here and instantly convinced everyone? >> Fact: It works. Unlike your vapour-proposal to "fix libtool". > > But it doesn't work. And fixing libtool isn't vapour. Read the Debian > patch. Fixing libtool isn't vapour, neither is the debian patch, but your plan/proposal to do is non-existant. You're just saying "Do this because I say you should, I don't know how, but you should. Oh, and if you don't you're all idiots". >> Fact: Breakages are rare, code which causes it is discouraged anyway, >> and is fixable in any case. We're not a standards organisation. > > You seriously think Gentoo has the manpower to go around making > unnecessary changes to upstream code? And there's nothing in the C++ > standard discouraging static initialisation. The tracker bug (bug 129413) seems to say otherwise. >> Fact: It hasn't been done forever, and won't be done anytime soon. > > And the Debian patch is...? Useless unless it's complete. As I said above, fix it and convince us. Show us how wrong we are. We'll be glad and grateful. Don't whine about it and waste everyone's time and energy. -- ~Nirbheek Chauhan -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list