From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-dev+bounces-30836-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1K2GW0-0000Qx-Ix for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 31 May 2008 02:08:16 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F1490E040B; Sat, 31 May 2008 02:08:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.185]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67FDBE040B for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Sat, 31 May 2008 02:08:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id u5so76838tia.10 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 30 May 2008 19:08:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=LTGo0RLinyY19l6WdnFFtd3olT6LhCeoIOXHK5Ns9qM=; b=ls2At3ZjhNUQGd/Iz6nsNIaj5vC7/SxRrfjqot8Pkyuz4+xjFx76tMQiHsi4oE7jqK2yZUMwRl20oSmTK8DBzXtAZk7FRrDXDxCvmWmtC0TQvbBogl1bne6m1J7kzpDEVr3gCKp63xmgHeqQFpObpErxl6BdP0TGXlAZrxCkWps= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XSgyC4Baz/31y0uASv/hU90g0zcocXtFziWT8Sg3/Wbdn+vTklEw+r0/7fUz++mlVNXVoo3Apl01e0CNl43d6qTBzvwcqFI7rfl8ofPdU2oKYw/1+voRmVy0OxlNuY8C0CSmlA6MnjPyhzYKh6hROen498d0Gn1IHCjv+5sgHY0= Received: by 10.110.60.2 with SMTP id i2mr822810tia.0.1212199693037; Fri, 30 May 2008 19:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.110.41.4 with HTTP; Fri, 30 May 2008 19:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8b4c83ad0805301908sec8a9dale54c1696b5a0dccc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 07:38:12 +0530 From: "Nirbheek Chauhan" <nirbheek.chauhan@gmail.com> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: --as-needed to default LDFLAGS (Was: RFC: Should preserve-libs be enabled by default?) In-Reply-To: <20080531025020.7d7da9d7@snowcone> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080530220743.GH17201@comet> <20080531002644.41d9b7bf@snowcone> <484093C5.90902@gentoo.org> <20080531010259.52b8c105@snowcone> <4840990B.9040909@gentoo.org> <20080531013016.4aceedbb@snowcone> <4840A3EE.30708@gentoo.org> <20080531021748.4dd0b78e@snowcone> <20080531014356.GB6931@seldon.metaweb.com> <20080531025020.7d7da9d7@snowcone> X-Archives-Salt: 2fab6373-245b-4fda-9423-a266050a6749 X-Archives-Hash: cf2cb485428a8c40bdef9af402b354ac On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccreesh@googlemail.com> wrote: > On Fri, 30 May 2008 18:43:56 -0700 > Brian Harring <ferringb@gmail.com> wrote: >> So... folks have pointed out a benefit to using --as-needed. > > But they haven't. They've pointed out a flaw in libtool that is sort of > worked around sometimes at the expense of breaking things by using > as-needed. The correct solution is to fix libtool, but that's evidently > beyond the abilities of people who're only interested in increasing > their epenis size by throwing more silly options in config files. This is incredible. I have never seen a more logic-lacking and flamebait reply to a post full of reason and logic. 1) You say the benefits haven't been pointed out, while several posts have already done so. You seem to be the only one pretending to be unaware of them. 2) The "expense of breaking things" is completely unqualified in your post. Here's some context: "expense" is minimal since the problem is easily fixable, and "breaking things" is the list of bugs on the tracker bug -- 19 with most of them already having patches that just need to be committed 3) You say fixing libtool is the correct solution but you don't say why or explain how. You don't give any information at all, and due to the non-existant evidence, I am going to take the statement with a fist of salt. 4) epenis size? Really. You grabbed one line in his entire post and used it to divert the conversation's direction from constructive to time-wasting-argument. Personally, I agree wholeheartedly with what Brian has said. There are advantages (they've have already been stated earlier), and they far outweigh the disadvantages (breakages are easily fixable afaict). ~Nirbheek Chauhan who awaits the reply by ciaranm quoting one sentence from his post and flaming/trolling him -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list