From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JmXuy-0004UX-4t for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:29:04 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DF6FE0616; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:29:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.177]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BCBAE0616 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:29:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id s27so135775ele.1 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:29:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=p4x9VoX27gq2DMW85k67RjEeAdJfe40zk7IP+8BqDw8=; b=Ao5bqMgGZKFQNQcxyV6vNP8w+qW/X29oG+mEtVBEPzqzMSR2lOEQePSF/b+DLC2IHqvKSjr3ZZSy49Tpj/Rn8hQvMVhrX2BDcYhOY9B0OXXs3FNyliLBf72AmohOPmubMWjlqsCvCQH/KtMV1p3b2qGPX7oQvXZcMojn+680UPc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VekQGm0ALyapaW6K73d8fMSWEUn7xznLSbjpk+TeZ9rakTZwuZvKu/UD60xsSDf5G526YIgacxDy1qfX7Nw/A+5D+FvGORdVyi/B8zjIwanSncFpHATy7g0QfqeGi3Gp6alcqWBrJSGmIMXKVSv7NiHz2UppssdvI3STcG8jkE8= Received: by 10.114.161.11 with SMTP id j11mr1848579wae.13.1208453341529; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:29:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.24.18 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:29:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8b4c83ad0804171029v2e37bb06i98431e96dce2876c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:59:01 +0530 From: "Nirbheek Chauhan" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] PostgreSQL Status In-Reply-To: <20080417170753.GE31409@nibiru.local> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4807115C.6090904@gentoo.org> <20080417164003.GB31409@nibiru.local> <8b4c83ad0804170952s5728a968v60f04f30a66e3a25@mail.gmail.com> <20080417170753.GE31409@nibiru.local> X-Archives-Salt: 95b94300-ad0d-490a-a4d7-452302337072 X-Archives-Hash: 7486ad85d06beb1a6d566f1f1307d7df On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 10:37 PM, Enrico Weigelt wrote: > * Nirbheek Chauhan schrieb: > > > > > It's bad, just because Debian does it ?! > > > > Yes, because their technical design is different from Gentoo's. > > Still too religious ;-P Of course, that's your opinion to have and keep. > > Would be different if you'd said "we don't need to split since we > have useflags" or "we want to stay as near to upstream as possible" > instead of "we're not debian". Being different, just to be > different is really too pubertal for me ;-o > The person you were replying to is a Gentoo Council member, elected by the very devs that run Gentoo. I believe one should try and look deeper in the meaning of such a man's words before labelling them as "pubertal". The words of a veteran usually aren't written in blind emotion or with prejudice. > > > Debian/$binary_distro have to split up packages because they have no > > other way of mapping configure flags to what the user wants to > > install. Gentoo does, and they're called USE flags. > > Right, binary distros have a much bigger presure on that, but this > doesn't mean that splitting is always bad. There are specific use-cases where splitting is good, such as with gstreamer, gtk-sharp, gnome-python{,-desktop,-extras} which are essentially dependencies of other packages, and where built_with_use checks are horrid to use. > Think of all these useflag-deps, which often wouldn't be necessary > if the packages would be split in finer granularity. > Of course, this is mostly the upstream's fault. I personally have no opinion about the -base and -server split, since I do not know enough about it. But I am firmly against the -docs split since the doc USE flag is for this use-case, and I see no reason why not to use it. Just stick a USE=doc on -base and be done with it -- ~Nirbheek Chauhan -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list