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K=C3=A9vin GASPARD DE RENEFORT wrote: > > Thanks for clarifying that, it wasn't clear to me when I read the > > earlier e-mail. > >=20 > > Personally I think the long term solution is to identify critical code > > bases that have a low bus factor before the bad actors do and make a > > concentrated community effort to help audit and maintain these code > > bases. >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I hope this is not a stupid suggestion, that is also my first mail here= =20 > so if something does not suits habits feel free to tell me please, but= =20 > after reading the whole topic here I=E2=80=AFdid not find this suggestion= . >=20 > It=E2=80=99s merely a proposition out of my mind, also something I know v= ery=20 > little about. >=20 > --- >=20 > I read Linus T. speaking about usage of AI nowadays, in the IT field and= =20 > stating that is an awful idea to write code with it (at least, for now)= =E2=80=A6=20 > But not to ask an AI to read the code and try to found by this way=20 > security holes, bad habits, bugs and such. >=20 > Again, my skill and knowledge about AI, specially nowadays, is very=20 > small. But would take it lot of works to sets an AI to simple =C2=ABread= =C2=BB=20 > codes to look for undesired stuff ? That won=E2=80=99t even modify anythi= ng,=20 > merely says : =C2=ABAh, found something weird, **here**.=C2=BB. Maybe, pr= operly=20 > configured, it would have detected this social-hacking. Maybe not. >=20 > Since programming is a very hard works, specially when it=E2=80=99s about= =20 > security and bug, I also have very poor programing skill, but since the= =20 > whole purpose of a computer and it=E2=80=99s set of software is to do wha= t an=20 > human could NOT=E2=80=AFdo properly (like being attentives while reading = dozens=20 > of hundreds line of code=E2=80=A6) and automate stuff, it *seems* to perf= ectly=20 > suits this need. >=20 > I guess the process on Gentoo side while it=E2=80=99s about "packaging" i= s=20 > writing the good ebuild that download source code, compressed (and that= =20 > is the whole problem here if I understand) and then unpack it, compile= =20 > it, etc=E2=80=A6 >=20 > Could an AI reading the code could be a step somewhere ? >=20 > On other distribution I would say it needs to act **before** the package= =20 > is made, while building it I guess, for Gentoo I do not know. >=20 > But that is not the job of Gentoo=E2=80=99s ebuild writer to check other= =20 > projects code, that would be a non-sense ! Right ? >=20 > I=E2=80=99m curious of what an AI could bring in this subject. >=20 > If it=E2=80=99s a stupid suggestion, well, will keep reading this topic, = very=20 > interesting. And sorry for the noise. >=20 > PS:=E2=80=AFThanks for the works behind libre software, open-source and h= ere,=20 > Gentoo. I trust you since I do not have knowledge to judge properly the= =20 > works, but Gentoo is indeed one of the best Linux available, if not the= =20 > best in some field. Don=E2=80=99t let burn-out takes you and keep your re= al=20 > priority among everything, even Gentoo or libre software. We are humans,= =20 > not machines. >=20 > Regards, > GASPARD=E2=80=AFDE=E2=80=AFRENEFORT=E2=80=AFK=C3=A9vin That's not stupid at all, I'd been thinking exactly the same thing. I raise= d this whole issue during a discussion at FOSDEM 2019, where I admitted that = I didn't check the code changes for packages I was bumping, knowing that few = to none of the other people in the room did so either. Despite speaking up the= n, I still didn't do it because it's a heavy a burden and I'm not paid to do i= t. Now I'm thinking I really should, but I could really use some help. I'll ra= ise this idea at work. You could say that we specialise in these things. :) Regards, Chewi --=-IuWjW93vTigcoAXlVpCx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJFBAABCAAvFiEEPxcZ3tkwcedKm2a8EiZBXQDdMTcFAmYLE/8RHGNoZXdpQGdl bnRvby5vcmcACgkQEiZBXQDdMTekMQ//SDoqI5/0fjza+nqhAy/6yxn9yyJ7mmM8 5fYkl4rSeGDlnLnFj8y7dtLfZuKwmS7EJSS/1owpKFTObXkjb2HF3X1fXqFuPGJ6 zDxSl3ZSGcOScQjGycAcqZYCtxOJdw1fDHD7MMZ5Tq34cGJCkcj772OoJ700c3RX wInaEBkAWddm3RNclXA/8v8ncu9dcYsbPd5IEYU541tYRuhBf2+BnxxKqPDtOJsR Ejd4K/xbCBPEK5ou1DiC1g+DOVyrG/4ZwboWWS9SCkDLZ4qTklv07OQrN5RB0yi+ BM6gLGS6tF5j/4FHv0E6A4I50yNzLPkTbtBfIbFRrC0ShRfkOHIHW4MutTan6LSh h1gYHYNMt6a8TTNNneQfYXhZSifaFoIiXdD5EiWj9Iy4t97nFp+K/BGkhTMj7Wf5 JfNOJW/tM/f9cbmSUyQp5aGdf3USosN3DqEkL2nWUwQ7nOMGU/5AX3p48l1I5HYI 6gD/PgsDNRFTKml8EXSR+/8HHovzZ5I/XX9tXOsFKd7eU/tzfPeFB3BLj+w/kGeV IRld3yX25aUJYgKd28Y2kVC+kVhDwoqCrOYSsmHiEGLMJGDLW6LnlIVamPSJMi49 uWeq4Vm9nYwj4MkRtRCZNC4k0gPm5LP11qTjkfNrrVeIJD8zkQyICCK18S2YTbty gi4ENrkwch4= =YwUS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-IuWjW93vTigcoAXlVpCx--