All,

If I might weigh in at this late stage:

How did we end up here in the first place? Isn't the point of ~arch that we
can put stuff here that might WELL be unstable? Sure, we'll get lots of "I
set my ACCEPT_KEYWORDS to ~arch and now my system is broken," messages, but
if people are going to try ~arch, or Gentoo in general, despite warnings
that it's "not for newbies" (and I have personal experience of this), we
can't really stop them without turning the community into a fascist state,
can we? Gentoo (like all projects) has a finite amount of developers, and if
we spend to much time on ~arch then surely arch will suffer

Just my 0.2 cents (sic)

Jeff.

On 04/05/06, Bart Braem <bart.braem@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> (sorry if you receive this mail twice, my subscription was not ok)
>
> Philip Webb wrote:
>
> > 060404 Caleb Tennis wrote:
> >> historically we were much more bleeding edge with our stable KDE
> >> versions, but if you've spent any significant time playing with 3.5.0or
> >> 3.5.1, you would agree that they are terribly less stable than 3.4.3.
> >
> > Not here ! I've used both (successively) every day
> > & can't recall a single crash or noteworthy (indeed any) problem.
> > It's true that I don't use Kmail & similar exchange-type apps
> > & some comments suggest that is where the bulk of instability lies.
> >
> > The fact that KDE itself is no longer accepting bugs for 3.4.3
> > really does suggest there's something wrong with Gentoo's current
> > criteria.
> >
> As a user I have to add my opinion here. I have been using Gentoo for some
> years now and it was always fairly up to date. Currently KDE is really
> behind on the current situation upstream.
> And then I wonder why. What makes us think we can not trust the KDE devs?
> Does compiling KDE introduce so many bugs? I mean, let's be serious, all
> other distributions have a stable 3.5.x now. Don't they experience all
> those horrible bugs?
> Seriously, this is really becoming an issue. As I pointed out in a bug I
> filed for a stable KDE (for which I apologize, I should have looked here
> first), some people are leaving Gentoo because of this slow upgrade
> process.
> The classical answer from devs is "it's ready when it's ready". From a
> user
> point of view this is very, very vague. Please give users a more clear
> explanation, this creates great frustration when looking at other
> distributions. Because it's stable there.
>
> These are my 2 cents as a user. One that loves Gentoo. One that loves KDE.
> One that's frustrated by the current situation. I am a CS so I know how
> hard programming can be, don't get me wrong there. I do appreciate what
> you
> guys do. But I can't understand why you do it this way right now.
>
> Bart
>
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