From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j598TM4r013013 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:29:23 GMT Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so15822rne for ; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 01:30:09 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kSTVAVrvxFjtKbGDiQv2mLtyGSv+5l8cN4TzhcYHz2AEboVpAFwhYmQNx+0tM9utTbyB46y84hHQL21h6m8uQBLGRuQce8RPzh6MyVw/q1LChZrlhN/01vMcCYR9UU045S+LCMviST3dd+BhPcEp4a8KXWihCzVGwa/ah/vQi4U= Received: by 10.38.9.1 with SMTP id 1mr211195rni; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 01:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.76.57 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 01:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8953a1db050609013016e16a4e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:30:09 +0100 From: Paul Waring To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] a #g-d first impression might represent process and metastructure In-Reply-To: <42A79F46.7040203@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <42A77DF0.3030200@comcast.net> <5e0a35ef0506081719459535ca@mail.gmail.com> <42A7991D.9030007@comcast.net> <42A79F46.7040203@gentoo.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by robin.gentoo.org id j598TM4r013013 X-Archives-Salt: 2ccb6a2a-4505-41d9-b7e9-4a8187c1f5da X-Archives-Hash: 9b0d5509f6ae0949eeda7d654e475728 On 6/9/05, Stephen P. Becker wrote: > Without hearing the other side of the story or seeing a transcript of > the conversation, it is hard to say whether whoever this was reacted > properly or not, however I would say they have a major stick up their > ass. Don't assume everybody in #gentoo-dev would have reacted to your > query the same way. For example, people have asked me for voice a few > times, and I grant it to them if their question or concern actually has > to do with development of gentoo. If the request amounts to user > support, I tell them to try #gentoo or bugzilla. Having spent quite a long time on IRC/Bugzilla/-dev I can say that Stephen is right here - there are some devs who, for whatever reason, not particularly welcoming to newcomers. I've been on the receiving end of some of their comments and it's not very nice, and caused me to step back from getting involved any further for quite some time. However, having said that there are also some decent devs who are more than willing to help (even on simple ebuild queries when perhaps I should have read the docs a bit further before asking) and get new people on board. You just have to know who to approach and the best way to do so. Finally, having met a lot of the UK developers I can tell you that none of them (even Ciaran ;) are as bad as you might think based on their attitude on IRC. Paul -- Rogue Tory http://www.roguetory.org.uk -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list