From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9815138334 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 21:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C250E09EF; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 21:35:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from avasout06.plus.net (avasout06.plus.net [212.159.14.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5BAD4E09E9 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 21:35:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.6.147] ([212.159.46.162]) by smtp with ESMTP id d0I8f1I5QWLW2d0IAfyhqx; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 22:35:26 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=fJUXI6Se c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=RuViaDnnNG9rfPLW4VJocg==:117 a=RuViaDnnNG9rfPLW4VJocg==:17 a=13zjGPudsaEWiJwPRgMA:9 a=bqK43awTjT9jHhQPDV8A:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=353DYR-5dQUZWXY30_gA:9 a=ONNS8QRKHyMA:10 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving default location of portage tree To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org, gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org References: <20180709172136.GA17068@linux1.home> <1531161811.1159.13.camel@gentoo.org> <20180709201113.GB17593@linux1.home> <1531167218.1159.15.camel@gentoo.org> <20180709211410.GA17986@linux1.home> <2f7c8b18-8c5d-2931-14a7-9d6d1e00526d@gentoo.org> <29b55e16-bb2e-5a98-13e2-e1482441b417@gentoo.org> <8b47a97d-37be-652a-0298-7e7082506b53@iee.org> <50aa6222-d97c-6fd0-0884-23b27f494135@gentoo.org> <20180710200923.GA21918@linux1.home> Cc: gentoo-releng@lists.gentoo.org From: "M. 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J. Everitt" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org, gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Cc: gentoo-releng@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <88409c1e-eb34-dad8-c524-2b44de5bc91b@iee.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving default location of portage tree References: <20180709172136.GA17068@linux1.home> <1531161811.1159.13.camel@gentoo.org> <20180709201113.GB17593@linux1.home> <1531167218.1159.15.camel@gentoo.org> <20180709211410.GA17986@linux1.home> <2f7c8b18-8c5d-2931-14a7-9d6d1e00526d@gentoo.org> <29b55e16-bb2e-5a98-13e2-e1482441b417@gentoo.org> <8b47a97d-37be-652a-0298-7e7082506b53@iee.org> <50aa6222-d97c-6fd0-0884-23b27f494135@gentoo.org> <20180710200923.GA21918@linux1.home> In-Reply-To: <20180710200923.GA21918@linux1.home> --SPGpsdeLWME1c3N55dVb9PuriLfGPWgjI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-GB On 10/07/18 21:09, William Hubbs wrote: > On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 03:54:35PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: >> On 07/09/2018 03:27 PM, M. J. Everitt wrote: >>> On 09/07/18 23:12, Zac Medico wrote: >>>> On 07/09/2018 02:34 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: >>>>> I'd mostly argue any such change should only affect new systems >>>>> >>>> Yes, changing defaults for existing systems would be annoying. >>>> >>>> My recommendation is to have catalyst set the new defaults in the st= age >>>> tarballs. >>>> >>>> When sys-apps/portage changes its internal defaults, I'd like for th= e >>>> upgrade process to call a tool that generates configuration files wh= en >>>> necessary to ensure that the existing paths remain constant. >>> I think it should be possible for RelEng to make a start on catalyst >>> updates - is there anything that would inhibit going ahead with this,= >>> potentially? >> No, nothing. Whatever catalyst puts it the default config will become >> our new default. > I would still like to see notice about what the new defaults are and ho= w > to migrate current systems to them. > > > Thanks, > > William > >> --=20 >> Thanks, >> Zac >> > > I'd like to propose that further to the discussion here on the -dev mailing list, the Council discuss and make a firm proposal on the new default paths, and then RelEng can make the appropriate updates to the catalyst builds. A news item can be compiled, with an appropriate wiki article perhaps on migration strategy (I may volunteer to format such a page with some appropriate guidance). Regards, Michael / veremitz. --SPGpsdeLWME1c3N55dVb9PuriLfGPWgjI-- --gStnteNDqLD4oTkCuyOLuvCjqLfWZOtFB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJbRSacAAoJEGPnxnn01DHdxNQQALrkTd1l8fKEoLn+0OsxrBlZ xRrQJzS1omtL8zFCVpDtUvHZPSl7TPKH62JkbNVCYcaARVelwzDKoF8vlMYgxq+R +yk6TRy+683ukQjJ/jLAnx9klv4ulOC/aj9WqfJ/UfftAemKU0mhM7H5ucnqtBls xbTfDiZfDjOV5ZoqgxBCVbVYPbGQbT4RrpU5ZSgnC4VjXAokMKCYAE3BENObE6Oo 24h99I/6cQtBB2XsCsrHpGhULfI5cyUJBe1x3EisbD2qVOhInFn2aEdtfo2N6UgA I3Bk9aocsxsF0tvoYGfx0tpwlgXZ/CA1rcyA/z85V4Y9LW9kYDka/IBErND4XOCY mA4rEbJ/s/BkrYaRgIkA7HzgFdt5/acN4a/1QnHMlAGAybJLOcuIziNtir3YTIJG fyL9l/O7IZ7ed9AEFqrxKtB1Fw/wCQAdrLuoZvWc8ERVaHyftelqfM3z1Pby8Ckz qmbvWmbsJI+QKFr5moxh2x5zupye63f4w2LgDhHH87zaqzhfncZy41LKQ2h284Z/ 3iRG3irN3HvEE2s1Pzw65W35A8ct0XPnXleWPGOVbzodzdxq1nqeBab7pq5uUZQb R0qxtZq4iJweOD1R17vk4OTTaJ/xaPm0FKmk2rnhodcJTW86nvTXI71ODYDvq/cD isx8cOktSMsTNzweOMlj =oxmK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gStnteNDqLD4oTkCuyOLuvCjqLfWZOtFB--