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From: Sam James <sam@gentoo.org>
To: Florian Schmaus <flow@gentoo.org>
Cc: council@gentoo.org, gentoo-dev <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>,
	William Hubbs <williamh@gentoo.org>
Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: EGO_SUM
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2023 21:28:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o7nd58by.fsf@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <29b2aa18-7498-ad42-757e-fdebad9fa5a5@gentoo.org>

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Florian Schmaus <flow@gentoo.org> writes:

[CCing williamh@ as go-module.eclass & dev-lang/go maintainer.]

> I like to ask the Gentoo council to vote on whether EGO_SUM should be
> reinstated ("un-deprecated") or not.
>
> EGO_SUM is a project-comprehensive matter, as it affects not only
> Go-lang packaging but also the proxy-maint and GURU
> projects. Furthermore, as I have mentioned in my previous emails, the
> deprecation of EGO_SUM has a significant negative impact on our users
> and is, therefore, a global Gentoo issue.
>
> Asking for council involvement should be a last resort and only be
> done in essential conflicts. But, unfortunately, I was unable to
> convince the relevant maintainer with arguments that the deprecation
> of EGO_SUM is harmful. And this matter is significant enough to
> proceed with this.

My feeling on this is that this proposal isn't yet complete enough
for the council to assess. In the various previous discussions, the need
for _some_ limit to be implemented (derived from EGO_SUM) was clear from
the QA team and others.

Voting on the matter now would be reopening the issue which led EGO_SUM
to be deprecated in the first place, with only a partial mitigation
(the Portage warning).

Any such limit should be supported by pkgcheck, allow using EGO_SUM
for most packages, but exclude the pathological cases which we're
unlikely to want in ::gentoo.

(Limit-per-ebuild rather than per-package is one option of many,
too.)

>
> Most voices on the related mailing-list threads expressed support for
> reinstating EGO_SUM. At least, that is my impression. While the
> arguments used to deprecate EGO_SUM were mostly of esthetic nature.
>
> I want to state what should be common sense. Namely, asking for a
> democratic vote is not a personal attack against any involved
> person.
> [...]

I agree this is an important issue that affects the practicality
of using Gentoo for some, and for contributing to Gentoo to others.

>
> On 17/04/2023 09.37, Florian Schmaus wrote:
>> [original msg snipped]

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-24 20:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-17  7:37 [gentoo-dev] EGO_SUM Florian Schmaus
2023-04-17  9:28 ` [gentoo-dev] EGO_SUM Anna (cybertailor) Vyalkova
2023-04-27 18:00   ` William Hubbs
2023-04-27 18:18     ` David Seifert
2023-04-24 16:11 ` Florian Schmaus
2023-04-24 20:28   ` Sam James [this message]
2023-04-24 22:52     ` Alexey Zapparov
2023-04-26 15:31     ` Florian Schmaus
2023-04-26 16:12       ` Matt Turner
2023-04-26 19:31         ` Andrew Ammerlaan
2023-04-26 19:38           ` Chris Pritchard
2023-04-26 20:47           ` Matt Turner
2023-04-27  7:58         ` Florian Schmaus
2023-04-27  9:24           ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-04-28  6:59             ` Florian Schmaus
2023-04-27 12:54           ` Michał Górny
2023-04-27 23:12             ` Pascal Jäger
2023-04-28  0:38               ` Sam James
2023-04-28  4:27                 ` Michał Górny
2023-04-28  5:31                   ` Sam James
2023-04-28  6:59             ` Florian Schmaus
2023-04-28 14:34               ` Michał Górny
2023-05-02 19:32                 ` Florian Schmaus
2023-05-02 19:38                   ` Sam James
2023-04-29 22:34               ` Robin H. Johnson
2023-04-27 21:16           ` Sam James
2023-05-02 19:32             ` Florian Schmaus
2023-05-02 19:45               ` Sam James
2023-05-08  7:53                 ` Florian Schmaus
2023-05-08 12:03                   ` Michał Górny
2023-05-22  7:14                     ` Florian Schmaus
2023-05-02 20:04               ` Matt Turner
2023-05-08  7:53                 ` Florian Schmaus
2023-04-26 20:51       ` Sam James
2023-05-30 15:52   ` Florian Schmaus
2023-05-30 16:30     ` Anna (cybertailor) Vyalkova
2023-05-31  5:02       ` Oskari Pirhonen
2023-05-30 16:35     ` Arthur Zamarin
2023-05-31  6:20       ` Andrew Ammerlaan
2023-05-31  8:40         ` Ryan Qian
2023-05-31  9:06         ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-05-31  6:30       ` pascal.jaeger leimstift.de
2023-06-01  4:00         ` William Hubbs
2023-06-02  8:17       ` Florian Schmaus
2023-06-02  8:31         ` Michał Górny
2023-06-09 10:07           ` Florian Schmaus
2023-06-01 19:55 ` [gentoo-dev] EGO_SUM William Hubbs
2023-06-02  7:13   ` Joonas Niilola
2023-06-02 18:06     ` William Hubbs
2023-06-02 18:42       ` Joonas Niilola
2023-06-09 10:07   ` Florian Schmaus

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