From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-14) on finch.gentoo.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_NXDOMAIN, DMARC_MISSING,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=4.0.0 Received: from cs191238.pp.htv.fi (cs191238.pp.htv.fi [213.243.191.238]) by chiba.3jane.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8787CABB9B for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 01:31:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: by cs191238.pp.htv.fi (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 64BA54564A; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:31:53 +0300 (EEST) To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Spam (was Re: Hey SEXY) References: <20020927001231.EB7AFA30B0@mbox1.su.se> <20020927001753.GD5668@ufies.org> <20020927021452.GB31839@firinn.org> From: jsykari@cs191238.pp.htv.fi Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:31:53 +0300 In-Reply-To: <20020927021452.GB31839@firinn.org> (Mark Bainter's message of "Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:14:52 -0500") Message-ID: <87it0s2bae.fsf@cs191238.pp.htv.fi> User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) XEmacs/21.4 (Honest Recruiter, i686-pc-linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org Errors-To: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Gentoo Linux developer list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Archives-Salt: b3e5de8b-2be7-4c3e-ac34-272847335682 X-Archives-Hash: 9ac83df64081035df8e52a5d756584bf Mark Bainter writes: > Alan [alan@ufies.org] wrote: >> Or filter the list through spamassassin before it goes out to mailman (or >> something like that). > > Close the list Filter the lists > False Positives No Yes > 100% effective Yes No > > Hrm...choice seems clear to me. Filtering spam on a > mailing list is a bad idea. It's one thing for an > individual user to decide an acceptable level of risk > for false positives, it's quite another to choose that > for an entire list. Just my two cents. How about making a new list, gentoo-dev-spam, and sending the filtered mail to that address? Those who want to avoid false positives can freely subscribe to that list. This might seem ridiculous but it's not as ridiculous as doing nothing and letting the mailing list get cluttered by spam. How much spam is enough to make the list closed? 10 messages per day? 100 per day? Better even, put the address "gentoo-dev-spam@gentoo.org" in the front page of www.gentoo.org. That would further raise the signal/noise ratio of gentoo-dev, which is now, IMHO, rather much plagued by messages which would rather belong to gentoo-newbie or gentoo-user. (Or forums.gentoo.org) To be a bit more realistic, a bit more realistic solution is to close the lists. Distributing spam on the mailing lists is increasingly hurting the gentoo community by hindering communication. To not close the mailing lists would be a sign of weakness and inability to make decisions. Personal mail filters should not - and could not - be the solution, because not everybody has the possibility, resources or willingness to install SpamAssassin or similar. Antti, fed up with spam