[gentoo-dev] Imminent Python 3.12 switch reminder

[gentoo-dev] Imminent Python 3.12 switch reminder

[Michał Górny]

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Hi,

Just a quick reminder that we're switching to Python 3.12 this Saturday.
If you're up for some more quick porting, right now's the time!

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Best regards,
Michał Górny


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Imminent Python 3.12 switch reminder

[Martin Dummer]

Am 28.05.24 um 08:24 schrieb Michał Górny:
> If you're up for some more quick porting, right now's the time!
https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/36502 laying around for ~ 1 Month

Re: [gentoo-dev] Imminent Python 3.12 switch reminder

[Florian Schmaus]

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On 29/05/2024 11.30, Martin Dummer wrote:
> Am 28.05.24 um 08:24 schrieb Michał Górny:
>> If you're up for some more quick porting, right now's the time!
> https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/36502 laying around for ~ 1 Month


Unfortunately it happens that proxy-maint PRs slip through the cracks. 
If this happens, like it seems to have been the case with your PR, then 
please ping us proxy maintainers. Ideally simply by mentioning PRs that 
need attention of proxy maintainers in #gentoo-proxy-maint (Libera IRC).

- Flow

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Imminent Python 3.12 switch reminder

[orbea]

This is a reoccurring theme and its driving away contributors. The PR
queue really should be taken care of.

On Thu, 30 May 2024 11:34:42 +0200
Florian Schmaus <flow@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On 29/05/2024 11.30, Martin Dummer wrote:
> > Am 28.05.24 um 08:24 schrieb Michał Górny:  
> >> If you're up for some more quick porting, right now's the time!  
> > https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/36502 laying around for ~ 1
> > Month  
> 
> 
> Unfortunately it happens that proxy-maint PRs slip through the
> cracks. If this happens, like it seems to have been the case with
> your PR, then please ping us proxy maintainers. Ideally simply by
> mentioning PRs that need attention of proxy maintainers in
> #gentoo-proxy-maint (Libera IRC).
> 
> - Flow

Re: [gentoo-dev] Imminent Python 3.12 switch reminder

[Michał Górny]

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On Thu, 2024-05-30 at 08:09 -0700, orbea wrote:
> This is a reoccurring theme and its driving away contributors. The PR
> queue really should be taken care of.

Talk is cheap.

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Best regards,
Michał Górny


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Imminent Python 3.12 switch reminder

[orbea]

On Thu, 30 May 2024 17:54:32 +0200
Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 2024-05-30 at 08:09 -0700, orbea wrote:
> > This is a reoccurring theme and its driving away contributors. The
> > PR queue really should be taken care of.  
> 
> Talk is cheap.
> 

If I had the power to do it myself I would of already started to try to
reduce the load, but I don't. Do you want to grant me that power?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Imminent Python 3.12 switch reminder

[Jaco Kroon]

On 2024/05/30 17:56, orbea wrote:
> On Thu, 30 May 2024 17:54:32 +0200
> Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2024-05-30 at 08:09 -0700, orbea wrote:
>>> This is a reoccurring theme and its driving away contributors. The
>>> PR queue really should be taken care of.
>> Talk is cheap.
>>
> If I had the power to do it myself I would of already started to try to
> reduce the load, but I don't. Do you want to grant me that power?

+1.

Realising even my own ebuilds can do with some work, but yes, as a PR 
this is the part of the process that I most look up to.  Even if PR 
maintainers that have been around can just be given rights to commit to 
their own (long maintained) packages, that would already help alleviate 
the queue.

Kind regards,
Jaco

Re: [gentoo-dev] Imminent Python 3.12 switch reminder

[Michał Górny]

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On Thu, 2024-05-30 at 08:56 -0700, orbea wrote:
> On Thu, 30 May 2024 17:54:32 +0200
> Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 2024-05-30 at 08:09 -0700, orbea wrote:
> > > This is a reoccurring theme and its driving away contributors. The
> > > PR queue really should be taken care of.  
> > 
> > Talk is cheap.
> > 
> 
> If I had the power to do it myself I would of already started to try to
> reduce the load, but I don't. Do you want to grant me that power?

Nothing stops you from reviewing stuff, getting it to be merge-ready,
then pinging appropriate maintainers to merge it.  Nor from becoming
a developer, to the best of my knowledge.  Though this attitude may
already be a red flag.

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Best regards,
Michał Górny


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Proxy-maint PR queue resolution speed (Was: Imminent Python 3.12 switch reminder)

[Eli Schwartz]

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On 5/30/24 11:09 AM, orbea wrote:
> This is a reoccurring theme and its driving away contributors. The PR
> queue really should be taken care of.


It is a recurring theme in the volunteer open source community that
people work on stuff as and when they have time to do so, which also
means that contributors sometimes have to wait until people are
available to merge PRs.

There are some things that can help make sure people have more time to
volunteer for free to do OSS things:

- carefully consider before adding new packages. Maybe they belong in
  GURU instead? This is something a lot of people have trouble with, I
  fear.

- review PRs, even if you're not a developer, to help polish things up
  so there is less for developers to have to sort through.

- help out in other areas of Gentoo, such as bug wrangling, release
  engineering, or fixing outstanding bugs in packages maintained by
  developers rather than their own proxy-maint packages

- or even just being a sympathetic and friendly ear when developers are
  feeling down from the stress of doing open source work


There are also some things that I personally do not think are especially
helpful:

- complaining that the community is being driven away

- responding to community members adding a *friendly* and cheerful
  comment by pearl clutching about how the community is being driven
  away

- engaging in a multi-year campaign to pressure open source developers
  into feeling guilty about not spending "enough" time, culminating in
  getting maintainer access to an xkcd 2347 "Nebraska" compliant project
  for purposes of inserting a backdoor

- unwittingly being a member of a grassroots support base for the Jia
  Tans of the world by normalizing the relevant behavior


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Eli Schwartz

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Imminent Python 3.12 switch reminder

[Sam James]

Martin Dummer <martin.dummer@gmx.net> writes:

> Am 28.05.24 um 08:24 schrieb Michał Górny:
>> If you're up for some more quick porting, right now's the time!
> https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/36502 laying around for ~ 1 Month

I see Flow's reviewed your PR (as has mgorny before now) but I plan on
going over any py3.12 related PRs over the weekend - including yours if
it's not merged by then.

Others are encouraged and welcome to help with that process, including
non-developers who want to review which speeds things up. Thanks.