Zoltan Puskas writes: > On Tue, Jul 04, 2023 at 01:13:30AM -0600, Tim Harder wrote: >> On 2023-07-03 Mon 04:17, Florian Schmaus wrote: >> >On 30/06/2023 13.33, Eray Aslan wrote: >> >>On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 03:38:11AM -0600, Tim Harder wrote: >> >>>Why do we have to keep exporting the related variables that generally >> >>>cause these size issues to the environment? >> >> >> >>I really do not want to make a +1 response but this is an excellent >> >>question that we need to answer before implementing EGO_SUM. >> > >> >Could you please discuss why you make the reintroduction of EGO_SUM >> >dependent on this question? >> >> Just to be clear, I don't particularly care about EGO_SUM enough to gate >> its reintroduction (and don't have any leverage to do so anyway). I'm >> just tired of the circular discussions around env issues that all seem >> to avoid actual fixes, catering instead to functionality used by a >> vanishingly small subset of ebuilds in the main repo that compels a >> certain design mostly due to how portage functioned before EAPI 0. >> >> Other than that, supporting EGO_SUM (or any other language ecosystem >> trending towards distro-unfriendly releases) is fine as long as devs are >> cognizant how the related global-scope eclass design affects everyone >> running or working on the raw repo. I hope devs continue leveraging the >> relatively recent benchmark tooling (and perhaps more future support) to >> improve their work. Along those lines, it could be nice to see sample >> benchmark data in commit messages for large, global-scope eclass work >> just to reinforce that it was taken into account. >> >> Tim >> > > I've been following the EGO_SUM thread for quite some time now. One other thing > I did not see mentioned in favour of EGO_SUM so far: reproducibility. > > The problem with external tarballs is that they are gone once the ebuild is > dropped from the tree. Should a user ever want to roll back to a previous > version of an application, either by checking out on older version of the > portage tree or copying said ebuild into their local overlay, they still cannot > simply run an emerge on the it as they have to somehow recreate the tarball > itself too. I believe Hank's email coves this.