From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FC48158041 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2024 15:10:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 68381E2AA4; Tue, 27 Feb 2024 15:10:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (woodpecker.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18605E2A9F for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2024 15:10:52 +0000 (UTC) From: =?utf-8?Q?Arsen_Arsenovi=C4=87?= To: =?utf-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBHw7Nybnk=?= Cc: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: banning "AI"-backed (LLM/GPT/whatever) contributions to Gentoo In-Reply-To: (=?utf-8?Q?=22Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny=22's?= message of "Tue, 27 Feb 2024 15:45:17 +0100") Organization: Gentoo References: User-Agent: mu4e 1.12.0; emacs 30.0.50 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 16:10:46 +0100 Message-ID: <86plwieydl.fsf@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 479e2634-c60f-41db-a074-07eb4ca0e0b1 X-Archives-Hash: b4fe951c3bae2dc2a0b9bdf4dbee5388 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny writes: > Hello, > > Given the recent spread of the "AI" bubble, I think we really need to > look into formally addressing the related concerns. In my opinion, > at this point the only reasonable course of action would be to safely > ban "AI"-backed contribution entirely. In other words, explicitly > forbid people from using ChatGPT, Bard, GitHub Copilot, and so on, to > create ebuilds, code, documentation, messages, bug reports and so on for > use in Gentoo. > > Just to be clear, I'm talking about our "original" content. We can't do > much about upstream projects using it. > > > Rationale: > > 1. Copyright concerns. At this point, the copyright situation around > generated content is still unclear. What's pretty clear is that pretty > much all LLMs are trained on huge corpora of copyrighted material, and > all fancy "AI" companies don't give shit about copyright violations. > In particular, there's a good risk that these tools would yield stuff we > can't legally use. > > 2. Quality concerns. LLMs are really great at generating plausibly > looking bullshit. I suppose they can provide good assistance if you are > careful enough, but we can't really rely on all our contributors being > aware of the risks. > > 3. Ethical concerns. As pointed out above, the "AI" corporations don't > give shit about copyright, and don't give shit about people. The AI > bubble is causing huge energy waste. It is giving a great excuse for > layoffs and increasing exploitation of IT workers. It is driving > enshittification of the Internet, it is empowering all kinds of spam > and scam. > > > Gentoo has always stood out as something different, something that > worked for people for whom mainstream distros were lacking. I think > adding "made by real people" to the list of our advantages would be > a good thing =E2=80=94 but we need to have policies in place, to make sur= e shit > doesn't flow in. > > Compare with the shitstorm at: > https://github.com/pkgxdev/pantry/issues/5358 +1. All I've seen from "generatative" (read: auto-plagiarizing) A"I" is spam and theft, and have the full intention of blocking it where-ever my vote counts. =2D-=20 Arsen Arsenovi=C4=87 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iOcEARYKAI8WIQT+4rPRE/wAoxYtYGFSwpQwHqLEkwUCZd37dl8UgAAAAAAuAChp c3N1ZXItZnByQG5vdGF0aW9ucy5vcGVucGdwLmZpZnRoaG9yc2VtYW4ubmV0RkVF MkIzRDExM0ZDMDBBMzE2MkQ2MDYxNTJDMjk0MzAxRUEyQzQ5MxEcYXJzZW5AZ2Vu dG9vLm9yZwAKCRBSwpQwHqLEk2UUAQDUY7SCkOP16cEnIklkBM+fBz6bJvSuXOJo 0aaUcQq5egEA9Op13vDT/y3HFmjgaGxkI2X+4sNrE2VjJTcz/449SgU= =lKlB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--