From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5154138247 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:37:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0276AE0E4A; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:37:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19A3EE0E26 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from moguhome00.in.awa.tohoku.ac.jp (ernie02-dmz.awa.tohoku.ac.jp [130.34.99.37]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: heroxbd) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7F91533F5F7 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:37:01 +0000 (UTC) From: heroxbd@gentoo.org To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Portage QOS References: <52ce4eab.463f700a.4b43.16bd@mx.google.com> <52ce9994.24f5980a.0660.342e@mx.google.com> <52cf09c2.463f700a.4b43.58d7@mx.google.com> <52CF0FD7.8010608@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 07:36:57 +0900 In-Reply-To: (Duncan's message of "Fri, 10 Jan 2014 19:38:14 +0000 (UTC)") Message-ID: <86d2jz79bq.fsf@moguhome00.in.awa.tohoku.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Archives-Salt: 774884c3-e65d-419f-829f-0c4616c1c84f X-Archives-Hash: 180e99bf69ea3e4d2fe5a3ad6f7a11f6 Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> writes: > Meanwhile, you might try googling Zynot. That was one early, perhaps the > first, Gentoo fork. Such talk of cutthroat competition in a zero-sum > game, of deliberately cutting off user options so they'd be forced to > stick with you, of it can be us or them, not both, etc, was exactly the > sort of thing they tried. That was 2002/2003 or so. While the events > and acrimony surrounding that did ultimately drive Gentoo's founder > (Daniel Robbins) elsewhere, Gentoo survived (thanks in part to drobbins' > efforts to secure a good future for it even at heavy personal cost to > himself and his family as he was already in the process of leaving). > Gentoo's still here, but where is zynot today? > > I remember back in early 2004 as I was researching my switch to gentoo, > reading up on zynot, which was at that time still a going concern, and > repeatedly asking myself as I read the essays from zynot's founder > heavily criticizing gentoo and its founder, why can't he see what's > happening, that every single thing he's negatively pointing at in gentoo > and drobbins he and zynot are doing themselves in far greater measure, > and why he was so stuck on closed source competitive techniques in an > open source world. His very essays, supposedly criticizing gentoo, > instead ended up convincing me more than ever that gentoo was /exactly/ > the right choice for me. =:^) Wow... What a history! I am educated. Thanks for sharing. I've always been interested in my distro's history. The information scatters here and there. It'll be nice if some senior/retired developers write up a Gentoo history on wiki.g.o :) Benda