[gentoo-dev] desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

[gentoo-dev] desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

[heroxbd]

Dear Fellows,

Canonical is raising money by pushing their concept of Ubuntu for
Android[1][2]. The idea is to put GNU environment (esp. Ubuntu userland)
in parallel to Android to drive the external HDMI output with X11
protocal, so that desktop applications can run on the smartphone.

The idea is cool, but not new. The idea is general to all android
devices, while Canonical is binding the concept with its own new device.

The project is developed underground by Canonical, so far nothing, not
to say repository, is available except advertisements and the call for
people to donate.

As a natual consequence of the on-going Google Summer of Code project,
Gentoo on Android[3], we can run native Gentoo on *all* the Android
devices. Compiling out an Xorg and output to HDMI has no theoretical
difficulty. Furthermore, sharing of graphic output with Android (instead
of a separate HDMI output) can be explored with wayland x11[4].

I feel sorry to the behavior of Canonical. We, people from the Gentoo
community, can show the general public what is the cooperative way to
develop desktop/smartphone hybrid to benefit all.

I would like to kick out a sub-project of Gentoo targeting smartphone
and tablets. It would be nice to find out a solution based on Gentoo for
desktop/smartphone hybrid *before* Canonical's release.

Comments welcome.

Cheers,
Benda

1. http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/ubuntu-for-android
2. http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge
3. http://www.awa.tohoku.ac.jp/~benda/projects/android.html
4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_%28display_server_protocol%29

Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

[Daniel Campbell]

On 08/13/2013 12:21 AM, heroxbd wrote:
> Dear Fellows,
> 
> Canonical is raising money by pushing their concept of Ubuntu for
> Android[1][2]. The idea is to put GNU environment (esp. Ubuntu userland)
> in parallel to Android to drive the external HDMI output with X11
> protocal, so that desktop applications can run on the smartphone.
> 
> The idea is cool, but not new. The idea is general to all android
> devices, while Canonical is binding the concept with its own new device.
> 
> The project is developed underground by Canonical, so far nothing, not
> to say repository, is available except advertisements and the call for
> people to donate.
> 
> As a natual consequence of the on-going Google Summer of Code project,
> Gentoo on Android[3], we can run native Gentoo on *all* the Android
> devices. Compiling out an Xorg and output to HDMI has no theoretical
> difficulty. Furthermore, sharing of graphic output with Android (instead
> of a separate HDMI output) can be explored with wayland x11[4].
> 
> I feel sorry to the behavior of Canonical. We, people from the Gentoo
> community, can show the general public what is the cooperative way to
> develop desktop/smartphone hybrid to benefit all.
> 
> I would like to kick out a sub-project of Gentoo targeting smartphone
> and tablets. It would be nice to find out a solution based on Gentoo for
> desktop/smartphone hybrid *before* Canonical's release.
> 
> Comments welcome.
> 
> Cheers,
> Benda
> 
> 1. http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/ubuntu-for-android
> 2. http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge
> 3. http://www.awa.tohoku.ac.jp/~benda/projects/android.html
> 4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_%28display_server_protocol%29
> 

I'm not a developer but this project's existence would motivate me to
get a compatible smartphone and test this new Gentoo version on it,
assuming it's also capable of standard phone calls and texts, etc.

Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

[Ben de Groot]

On 13 August 2013 13:21, heroxbd <heroxbd@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Dear Fellows,
>
> I would like to kick out a sub-project of Gentoo targeting smartphone
> and tablets. It would be nice to find out a solution based on Gentoo for
> desktop/smartphone hybrid *before* Canonical's release.

I would be interested in such a project.

-- 
Cheers,

Ben | yngwin
Gentoo developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

["Paweł Hajdan, Jr."]

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On 8/12/13 10:21 PM, heroxbd wrote:
> As a natual consequence of the on-going Google Summer of Code project,
> Gentoo on Android[3], we can run native Gentoo on *all* the Android
> devices. Compiling out an Xorg and output to HDMI has no theoretical
> difficulty. Furthermore, sharing of graphic output with Android (instead
> of a separate HDMI output) can be explored with wayland x11[4].

Sounds good. Note that it doesn't need to be set up as "against
Canonical". Just do the best thing for the users.

> I would like to kick out a sub-project of Gentoo targeting smartphone
> and tablets. It would be nice to find out a solution based on Gentoo for
> desktop/smartphone hybrid *before* Canonical's release.

Everybody can create a sub-project, and I'm happy to see this kind of
project appearing in Gentoo.

I'd recommend focusing on creating a good, compelling experience, not
just pushing out something before Canonical. :)

Paweł


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Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

[Samuli Suominen]

On 13/08/13 08:21, heroxbd wrote:
> Dear Fellows,
>
> Canonical is raising money by pushing their concept of Ubuntu for
> Android[1][2]. The idea is to put GNU environment (esp. Ubuntu userland)
> in parallel to Android to drive the external HDMI output with X11
> protocal, so that desktop applications can run on the smartphone.
>
> The idea is cool, but not new. The idea is general to all android
> devices, while Canonical is binding the concept with its own new device.
>
> The project is developed underground by Canonical, so far nothing, not
> to say repository, is available except advertisements and the call for
> people to donate.
>
> As a natual consequence of the on-going Google Summer of Code project,
> Gentoo on Android[3], we can run native Gentoo on *all* the Android
> devices. Compiling out an Xorg and output to HDMI has no theoretical
> difficulty. Furthermore, sharing of graphic output with Android (instead
> of a separate HDMI output) can be explored with wayland x11[4].
>
> I feel sorry to the behavior of Canonical. We, people from the Gentoo
> community, can show the general public what is the cooperative way to
> develop desktop/smartphone hybrid to benefit all.
>
> I would like to kick out a sub-project of Gentoo targeting smartphone
> and tablets. It would be nice to find out a solution based on Gentoo for
> desktop/smartphone hybrid *before* Canonical's release.
>
> Comments welcome.
>
> Cheers,
> Benda
>
> 1. http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/ubuntu-for-android
> 2. http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge
> 3. http://www.awa.tohoku.ac.jp/~benda/projects/android.html
> 4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_%28display_server_protocol%29

Does gpe-base/* and gpe-utils/* relate to this at all?

Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

[Andreas K. Huettel]

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Benda, 

while I won't have the time to contribute much, I would like to tell you that 
this is definitely a very cool and worthwhile project! I think you should make 
a project page and sign yourself up as team lead immediately... :)

Chris Reffett from KDE team has done already a lot of work on packaging Plasma 
Active, see http://plasma-active.org/ - it's in the KDE overlay but mostly 
untested so far. You might be interested!

Best, 
Andreas

> Dear Fellows,
> 
> Canonical is raising money by pushing their concept of Ubuntu for
> Android[1][2]. The idea is to put GNU environment (esp. Ubuntu userland)
> in parallel to Android to drive the external HDMI output with X11
> protocal, so that desktop applications can run on the smartphone.
> 
> The idea is cool, but not new. The idea is general to all android
> devices, while Canonical is binding the concept with its own new device.
> 
> The project is developed underground by Canonical, so far nothing, not
> to say repository, is available except advertisements and the call for
> people to donate.
> 
> As a natual consequence of the on-going Google Summer of Code project,
> Gentoo on Android[3], we can run native Gentoo on *all* the Android
> devices. Compiling out an Xorg and output to HDMI has no theoretical
> difficulty. Furthermore, sharing of graphic output with Android (instead
> of a separate HDMI output) can be explored with wayland x11[4].
> 
> I feel sorry to the behavior of Canonical. We, people from the Gentoo
> community, can show the general public what is the cooperative way to
> develop desktop/smartphone hybrid to benefit all.
> 
> I would like to kick out a sub-project of Gentoo targeting smartphone
> and tablets. It would be nice to find out a solution based on Gentoo for
> desktop/smartphone hybrid *before* Canonical's release.
> 
> Comments welcome.
> 
> Cheers,
> Benda
> 
> 1. http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/ubuntu-for-android
> 2. http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge
> 3. http://www.awa.tohoku.ac.jp/~benda/projects/android.html
> 4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_%28display_server_protocol%29
-- 
Andreas K. Huettel
Gentoo Linux developer
kde, sci, arm, tex, printing

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Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

[Chris Reffett]

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Indeed I have. If you want to start such a project, I would certainly be
interested in joining. Plasma Active is basically untested because I
don't have a mobile device with Gentoo and installing it on a normal
computer leads to display sizing issues, but I welcome any suggestions
or bug reports you have for that. What I would really like to see come
out of this is some pre-made Gentoo stage4s for different kinds of
devices, which I think would be a big draw for users.

Chris Reffett
On 8/13/2013 1:09 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
> Benda, 
>
> while I won't have the time to contribute much, I would like to tell
you that
> this is definitely a very cool and worthwhile project! I think you
should make
> a project page and sign yourself up as team lead immediately... :)
>
> Chris Reffett from KDE team has done already a lot of work on
packaging Plasma
> Active, see http://plasma-active.org/ - it's in the KDE overlay but
mostly
> untested so far. You might be interested!
>
> Best,
> Andreas
>
>> Dear Fellows,
>>
>> Canonical is raising money by pushing their concept of Ubuntu for
>> Android[1][2]. The idea is to put GNU environment (esp. Ubuntu userland)
>> in parallel to Android to drive the external HDMI output with X11
>> protocal, so that desktop applications can run on the smartphone.
>>
>> The idea is cool, but not new. The idea is general to all android
>> devices, while Canonical is binding the concept with its own new device.
>>
>> The project is developed underground by Canonical, so far nothing, not
>> to say repository, is available except advertisements and the call for
>> people to donate.
>>
>> As a natual consequence of the on-going Google Summer of Code project,
>> Gentoo on Android[3], we can run native Gentoo on *all* the Android
>> devices. Compiling out an Xorg and output to HDMI has no theoretical
>> difficulty. Furthermore, sharing of graphic output with Android (instead
>> of a separate HDMI output) can be explored with wayland x11[4].
>>
>> I feel sorry to the behavior of Canonical. We, people from the Gentoo
>> community, can show the general public what is the cooperative way to
>> develop desktop/smartphone hybrid to benefit all.
>>
>> I would like to kick out a sub-project of Gentoo targeting smartphone
>> and tablets. It would be nice to find out a solution based on Gentoo for
>> desktop/smartphone hybrid *before* Canonical's release.
>>
>> Comments welcome.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Benda
>>
>> 1. http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/ubuntu-for-android
>> 2. http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge
>> 3. http://www.awa.tohoku.ac.jp/~benda/projects/android.html
>> 4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_%28display_server_protocol%29



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Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

[Pavel Kazakov]

Hi Benda,

Great idea! I would definitely be interested in joining.

Regards,
Pavel

On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:21 PM, heroxbd <heroxbd@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Dear Fellows,
>
> Canonical is raising money by pushing their concept of Ubuntu for
> Android[1][2]. The idea is to put GNU environment (esp. Ubuntu userland)
> in parallel to Android to drive the external HDMI output with X11
> protocal, so that desktop applications can run on the smartphone.
>
> The idea is cool, but not new. The idea is general to all android
> devices, while Canonical is binding the concept with its own new device.
>
> The project is developed underground by Canonical, so far nothing, not
> to say repository, is available except advertisements and the call for
> people to donate.
>
> As a natual consequence of the on-going Google Summer of Code project,
> Gentoo on Android[3], we can run native Gentoo on *all* the Android
> devices. Compiling out an Xorg and output to HDMI has no theoretical
> difficulty. Furthermore, sharing of graphic output with Android (instead
> of a separate HDMI output) can be explored with wayland x11[4].
>
> I feel sorry to the behavior of Canonical. We, people from the Gentoo
> community, can show the general public what is the cooperative way to
> develop desktop/smartphone hybrid to benefit all.
>
> I would like to kick out a sub-project of Gentoo targeting smartphone
> and tablets. It would be nice to find out a solution based on Gentoo for
> desktop/smartphone hybrid *before* Canonical's release.
>
> Comments welcome.
>
> Cheers,
> Benda
>
> 1. http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/ubuntu-for-android
> 2. http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge
> 3. http://www.awa.tohoku.ac.jp/~benda/projects/android.html
> 4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_%28display_server_protocol%29
>

Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

[heroxbd]

Daniel Campbell <lists@sporkbox.us> writes:

> I'm not a developer but this project's existence would motivate me to
> get a compatible smartphone and test this new Gentoo version on it,
> assuming it's also capable of standard phone calls and texts, etc.

This assumption certainly holds firm. It is firstly a phone and then a
computer.

Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

[heroxbd]

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"Paweł Hajdan, Jr." <phajdan.jr@gentoo.org> writes:

> Sounds good. Note that it doesn't need to be set up as "against
> Canonical". Just do the best thing for the users.

Thanks. I'd take your advice.

>> I would like to kick out a sub-project of Gentoo targeting smartphone
>> and tablets. It would be nice to find out a solution based on Gentoo
>> for desktop/smartphone hybrid *before* Canonical's release.
>
> Everybody can create a sub-project, and I'm happy to see this kind of
> project appearing in Gentoo.
>
> I'd recommend focusing on creating a good, compelling experience, not
> just pushing out something before Canonical. :)

Yes, I agree. 

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Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

[Alexey Mishustin]

2013/8/14 heroxbd <heroxbd@gentoo.org>:
> Daniel Campbell <lists@sporkbox.us> writes:
>
>> I'm not a developer but this project's existence would motivate me to
>> get a compatible smartphone and test this new Gentoo version on it,
>> assuming it's also capable of standard phone calls and texts, etc.
>
> This assumption certainly holds firm. It is firstly a phone and then a
> computer.
>

My rooted Samsung Galaxy S2 is also ready to receive and to test this
kind of Gentoo. Will be important the version of Android installed?

-- 
Regards,
Alex

Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

[Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina]

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On 08/13/2013 01:21 AM, heroxbd wrote:
> Dear Fellows,
> 
> Canonical is raising money by pushing their concept of Ubuntu for
> Android[1][2]. The idea is to put GNU environment (esp. Ubuntu userland)
> in parallel to Android to drive the external HDMI output with X11
> protocal, so that desktop applications can run on the smartphone.
> 
> The idea is cool, but not new. The idea is general to all android
> devices, while Canonical is binding the concept with its own new device.
> 
> The project is developed underground by Canonical, so far nothing, not
> to say repository, is available except advertisements and the call for
> people to donate.
> 
> As a natual consequence of the on-going Google Summer of Code project,
> Gentoo on Android[3], we can run native Gentoo on *all* the Android
> devices. Compiling out an Xorg and output to HDMI has no theoretical
> difficulty. Furthermore, sharing of graphic output with Android (instead
> of a separate HDMI output) can be explored with wayland x11[4].
> 
> I feel sorry to the behavior of Canonical. We, people from the Gentoo
> community, can show the general public what is the cooperative way to
> develop desktop/smartphone hybrid to benefit all.
> 
> I would like to kick out a sub-project of Gentoo targeting smartphone
> and tablets. It would be nice to find out a solution based on Gentoo for
> desktop/smartphone hybrid *before* Canonical's release.
> 
> Comments welcome.
> 

You know what I've done with this kind of thing already.  I am at your
disposal.  If you want to publicly embarass canonical by releasing
something awesome (either first or better) I can find the time to help.
 You know where to find me ;-)

- -Zero

> Cheers,
> Benda
> 
> 1. http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/ubuntu-for-android
> 2. http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge
> 3. http://www.awa.tohoku.ac.jp/~benda/projects/android.html
> 4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_%28display_server_protocol%29
> 
> 

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Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

[Arun Raghavan]

On 13 August 2013 10:51, heroxbd <heroxbd@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Dear Fellows,
>
> Canonical is raising money by pushing their concept of Ubuntu for
> Android[1][2]. The idea is to put GNU environment (esp. Ubuntu userland)
> in parallel to Android to drive the external HDMI output with X11
> protocal, so that desktop applications can run on the smartphone.
>
> The idea is cool, but not new. The idea is general to all android
> devices, while Canonical is binding the concept with its own new device.
>
> The project is developed underground by Canonical, so far nothing, not
> to say repository, is available except advertisements and the call for
> people to donate.

There are images available for this, btw, if you want to see how it
works and poke around. I'd seen some repositories, but don't know if
there's enough public to do your own build.

> As a natual consequence of the on-going Google Summer of Code project,
> Gentoo on Android[3], we can run native Gentoo on *all* the Android
> devices. Compiling out an Xorg and output to HDMI has no theoretical
> difficulty. Furthermore, sharing of graphic output with Android (instead
> of a separate HDMI output) can be explored with wayland x11[4].

There are a lot of _hard_ problems here (display, audio, input,
codecs), not to even begin on proper policy integration (your phone is
hooked up, voice call starts, what do you do).

That's not to discourage your effort at all - I think it's great that
you're kicking this off and that there is so much enthusiasm for this.
I look forward to seeing the solutions that emerge to solve all of
these, and am happy to offer to test on a device or two.

Cheers,
-- 
Arun Raghavan
http://arunraghavan.net/
(Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

[heroxbd]

Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> writes:

> Does gpe-base/* and gpe-utils/* relate to this at all?

Somehow. Just as Plasma Activity, it could be used as a GUI but not
necessarily.

Benda

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[heroxbd]

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"Andreas K. Huettel" <dilfridge@gentoo.org> writes:

> while I won't have the time to contribute much, I would like to tell you that 
> this is definitely a very cool and worthwhile project! I think you should make 
> a project page and sign yourself up as team lead immediately... :)

Thank you, Andreas. I've started a subproject here,

      http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/gentoo-alt/android/index.xml

> Chris Reffett from KDE team has done already a lot of work on packaging Plasma 
> Active, see http://plasma-active.org/ - it's in the KDE overlay but mostly 
> untested so far. You might be interested!

Talked to him on IRC. Thanks for the info.

Benda

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Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

[heroxbd]

Alexey Mishustin <shumkar@shumkar.ru> writes:

> My rooted Samsung Galaxy S2 is also ready to receive and to test this
> kind of Gentoo. Will be important the version of Android installed?

No, it would be agnostic to Android versions.

CPU of Galaxy S2 belongs to armv7a hardfloat, which is our main release
target.

Just a minute, I'll release a stage3 tarball.

Benda

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[heroxbd]

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"Rick \"Zero_Chaos\" Farina" <zerochaos@gentoo.org> writes:

> You know what I've done with this kind of thing already.  I am at your
> disposal.  If you want to publicly embarass canonical by releasing
> something awesome (either first or better) I can find the time to help.
>  You know where to find me ;-)

That's great, Rick!

Come and add yourself here,

     http://www.g.o/proj/en/gentoo-alt/android/index.xml

The page calls for extra love to be expanded.

See you in the usual place!
Benda

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Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

[heroxbd]

Arun Raghavan <ford_prefect@gentoo.org> writes:

> There are images available for this, btw, if you want to see how it
> works and poke around. I'd seen some repositories, but don't know if
> there's enough public to do your own build.

I am very interested in such an image. Would you please dig out a link
for me? I searched the web in vain.

>> As a natual consequence of the on-going Google Summer of Code project,
>> Gentoo on Android[3], we can run native Gentoo on *all* the Android
>> devices. Compiling out an Xorg and output to HDMI has no theoretical
>> difficulty. Furthermore, sharing of graphic output with Android (instead
>> of a separate HDMI output) can be explored with wayland x11[4].
>
> There are a lot of _hard_ problems here (display, audio, input,
> codecs), not to even begin on proper policy integration (your phone is
> hooked up, voice call starts, what do you do).

Yes, you're right.

> That's not to discourage your effort at all - I think it's great that
> you're kicking this off and that there is so much enthusiasm for this.
> I look forward to seeing the solutions that emerge to solve all of
> these, and am happy to offer to test on a device or two.

I'd make it incremental, by releasing only a full Gentoo environment
(Gentoo RAP) as the first step. Then base on that, gather forces to
attack the hard(-ware) problems you mentioned.

Cheers,
Benda

Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

[Arun Raghavan]

On 17 August 2013 16:28, heroxbd <heroxbd@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Arun Raghavan <ford_prefect@gentoo.org> writes:
>
>> There are images available for this, btw, if you want to see how it
>> works and poke around. I'd seen some repositories, but don't know if
>> there's enough public to do your own build.
>
> I am very interested in such an image. Would you please dig out a link
> for me? I searched the web in vain.

None of these worked for you? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install

I believe there were efforts to port to arbitrary non-Nexus devices as well.

Cheers,
-- 
Arun Raghavan
http://arunraghavan.net/
(Ford_Prefect | Gentoo) & (arunsr | GNOME)

Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

[Alexey Mishustin]

2013/8/17 heroxbd <heroxbd@gentoo.org>:
> Alexey Mishustin <shumkar@shumkar.ru> writes:
>
>> My rooted Samsung Galaxy S2 is also ready to receive and to test this
>> kind of Gentoo. Will be important the version of Android installed?
>
> No, it would be agnostic to Android versions.
>
> CPU of Galaxy S2 belongs to armv7a hardfloat, which is our main release
> target.

Perfect.

> Just a minute, I'll release a stage3 tarball.

OK! =)

-- 
Regards,
Alex

Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

[heroxbd]

Dear Arun,

Arun Raghavan <ford_prefect@gentoo.org> writes:

> None of these worked for you? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
>
> I believe there were efforts to port to arbitrary non-Nexus devices as
> well.

Ah, get to understand what you have meant. I was not talking about
replacing mobile devices with a GNU/Linux, not even dual booting. It was
running GNU in parallel to Android, sharing the same Linux kernel and
hardware, cooperating with each other.

Cheers,
Benda

Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

[Linlin Yan (颜林林)]

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It sounds very interesting! I would like to try that for testing in future.



On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 1:21 PM, heroxbd <heroxbd@gentoo.org> wrote:

> Dear Fellows,
>
> Canonical is raising money by pushing their concept of Ubuntu for
> Android[1][2]. The idea is to put GNU environment (esp. Ubuntu userland)
> in parallel to Android to drive the external HDMI output with X11
> protocal, so that desktop applications can run on the smartphone.
>
> The idea is cool, but not new. The idea is general to all android
> devices, while Canonical is binding the concept with its own new device.
>
> The project is developed underground by Canonical, so far nothing, not
> to say repository, is available except advertisements and the call for
> people to donate.
>
> As a natual consequence of the on-going Google Summer of Code project,
> Gentoo on Android[3], we can run native Gentoo on *all* the Android
> devices. Compiling out an Xorg and output to HDMI has no theoretical
> difficulty. Furthermore, sharing of graphic output with Android (instead
> of a separate HDMI output) can be explored with wayland x11[4].
>
> I feel sorry to the behavior of Canonical. We, people from the Gentoo
> community, can show the general public what is the cooperative way to
> develop desktop/smartphone hybrid to benefit all.
>
> I would like to kick out a sub-project of Gentoo targeting smartphone
> and tablets. It would be nice to find out a solution based on Gentoo for
> desktop/smartphone hybrid *before* Canonical's release.
>
> Comments welcome.
>
> Cheers,
> Benda
>
> 1. http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/ubuntu-for-android
> 2. http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge
> 3. http://www.awa.tohoku.ac.jp/~benda/projects/android.html
> 4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_%28display_server_protocol%29
>
>

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[gentoo-dev] Re: desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 13/08/13 08:21, heroxbd wrote:
> Dear Fellows,
>
> Canonical is raising money by pushing their concept of Ubuntu for
> Android[1][2]. The idea is to put GNU environment (esp. Ubuntu userland)
> in parallel to Android to drive the external HDMI output with X11
> protocal, so that desktop applications can run on the smartphone.
>
>[...]
> I feel sorry to the behavior of Canonical. We, people from the Gentoo
> community, can show the general public what is the cooperative way to
> develop desktop/smartphone hybrid to benefit all.

Note that Canonical, if their project succeeds, it going to ship actual 
devices.  It's not just going to deliver a hack, but rather a real, 
supported, ready to be used device.

No Gentoo project could possibly offer a real alternative to this.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

[Zac Medico]

On 08/18/2013 11:13 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 13/08/13 08:21, heroxbd wrote:
>> Dear Fellows,
>>
>> Canonical is raising money by pushing their concept of Ubuntu for
>> Android[1][2]. The idea is to put GNU environment (esp. Ubuntu userland)
>> in parallel to Android to drive the external HDMI output with X11
>> protocal, so that desktop applications can run on the smartphone.
>>
>> [...]
>> I feel sorry to the behavior of Canonical. We, people from the Gentoo
>> community, can show the general public what is the cooperative way to
>> develop desktop/smartphone hybrid to benefit all.
> 
> Note that Canonical, if their project succeeds, it going to ship actual
> devices.  It's not just going to deliver a hack, but rather a real,
> supported, ready to be used device.
> 
> No Gentoo project could possibly offer a real alternative to this.

As long as Android is shipped on a large percentage of devices though,
there can be a target audience for people who want to use gentoo-prefix
on those devices. Imagine something like Terminal IDE [1] (which bundles
a prefix of its own) having the power of gentoo-prefix at its disposal.

[1]
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.spartacusrex.spartacuside
-- 
Thanks,
Zac

Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

[heroxbd]

Hey Alexey,

Alexey Mishustin <shumkar@shumkar.ru> writes:

> My rooted Samsung Galaxy S2 is also ready to receive and to test this
> kind of Gentoo.

Sorry for being slow. I made it finally. Would you like to test it on
your favorite Galaxy S2?

      https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Android/tarball

Also, feel free to append it to the device list

      https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Android/devices

Cheers,
Benda

Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

[heroxbd]

Hey Chris,

Chris Reffett <creffett@gentoo.org> writes:

> Indeed I have. If you want to start such a project, I would certainly
> be interested in joining. Plasma Active is basically untested because
> I don't have a mobile device with Gentoo and installing it on a normal
> computer leads to display sizing issues, but I welcome any suggestions
> or bug reports you have for that.

Great idea.

As qt4 already supports wayland, we'll head to Plasma Active as soon as
we have a wayland.

Unfortunately at present, we have no code for graphics at all. It might
take long.

> What I would really like to see come out of this is some pre-made
> Gentoo stage4s for different kinds of devices, which I think would be
> a big draw for users.

Yeah, https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Android/tarball serves the
purpose.

Cheers,
Benda