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Agostino Sarubbo wrote: > Dear all, >=20 > TL;DR: tinderbox will skip packages with know failures >=20 > it's a matter of fact that on bugzilla there are hundreds of bugs that= =20 > tinderbox continues to reproduce. >=20 > That results in a waste of resources and time. >=20 > What was done to improve this situation: > in the past few months I launched few tinderbox environments with the sco= pe of=20 > collect the known failures. > These failures, that have an open bug, have been noted on a list.=20 > When tinderbox starts, it queries bugzilla to understand the status of th= e bug=20 > and in case of open bugs it passes the package names to emerge as=20 > --exclude $PACKAGE > That save a lot of time because emerge FOO --exclude FOO hangs immediatel= y. >=20 > Imagine a scenario where a broken package has no DEPEND. The waste of res= ource=20 > is very minimal. >=20 > Imagine another scenario where: > - the package FOO is broken > - the package BAR has 100 depend > - the package FOO is a depend of BAR > - the package FOO is at position 100 of the depend order >=20 > that results in build 99 packages for nothing. >=20 > In short the problem is not in the package itself, but when a lot of DEPE= ND=20 > are involved. >=20 > This behavior, *that was already experimented in the latest few months* d= oes=20 > not change anything on your side. >=20 > The only con that comes in my mind is that when a version bump silently f= ixes=20 > an issue and maintainer is not aware about that. > The bug still remains as open and as a consequence, the package continues= to=20 > be excluded. >=20 > For this reason, please be pay more attention to open bugs. >=20 > As a side note, bugs are obviously categorized. For example a build failu= re=20 > for a package FOO on musl, will produce '--exclude FOO' only on musl. > Same thing for doc brokeness. >=20 > For this reason please expect less 'tinderbox has reproduced this issue w= ith=20 > version "${VERSION}" - Updating summary.' and not seeing anymore this mes= sage=20 > is not a symptom of 'this is fixed now' ( https://bugs.gentoo.org/770889#= c6 ) >=20 > Failures regarding Modern C porting are excluded from this behavior. Inst= ead=20 > '-fpermissive' will be used to build as much as possible. > Tests failures have also no influence on that, but keep in mind that pack= ages=20 > with known test failure(s) are not built by default. >=20 > Thanks > Agostino >=20 You've made the right call here. Sorry for not fixing the many bugs you've reported. It's not that I don't care, it's very hard to find the time, especially for the musl and Clang ones. I certainly won't assume the issues have magically gone away. 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